Wolfcastle Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Can't believe people still think we might get relegated. I doubt we'll be any fewer than five points clear of the relegation zone at any point tbh. Loads of individual quality in the side, will always mean we pick up points. We're a terrible team though so will periodically have episodes like last night. There's a very clear pattern at this point, fail to see why we're likely to deviate from it. I've never seen such consistency. Second best statistically in every game, no blips is hard to do even if that's what you're aiming for. And battered at least once in every three games is how its felt under Bruce. Just checked this season and its probably worse in fairness. Brighton, Southampton, Man United, Spurs and Leeds. So after Man City and Liverpool we'll have been battered, dominated in every way in 7 of our 15 games, nearly half. That can't have happened even with the Derby's, Swindon's and mackems of the world and Bruce will certainly be the first manager to do that whilst 'doing a good job'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Can't believe people still think we might get relegated. I doubt we'll be any fewer than five points clear of the relegation zone at any point tbh. Loads of individual quality in the side, will always mean we pick up points. We're a terrible team though so will periodically have episodes like last night. There's a very clear pattern at this point, fail to see why we're likely to deviate from it. I've never seen such consistency. Second best statistically in every game, no blips is hard to do even if that's what you're aiming for. And battered at least once in every three games is how its felt under Bruce. Just checked this season and its probably worse in fairness. Brighton, Southampton, Man United, Spurs and Leeds. So after Man City and Liverpool we'll have been battered, dominated in every way in 7 of our 15 games, nearly half. That can't have happened even with the Derby's, Swindon's and mackems of the world and Bruce will certainly be the first manager to do that whilst 'doing a good job'. Derby had 1 win and 11 points in 2007-08. They had a goal difference of -69. Swindon conceded 100 goals in 1993-94. Are you saying we get dominated more than these teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Without examining the fixtures, the pattern I'm referring to is that, among whichever handful of games you wanna look at, there's at least one total stinker, at least one good win, a smattering of passable results and relentlessly bad football regardless of the outcome. I could be miles off but I doubt it. We always do just enough on the whole, just not through any great strategy - simply relying on better players to come up with the goods enough times. Which I'm sure they'll continue to do because, for all the terrible football, the spirit and discipline in the squad never really falters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Have any of Ferguson’s players or assistants been anything other than Dinosaurs as managers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Without examining the fixtures, the pattern I'm referring to is that, among every handful of games you wanna refer to, there's at least one total stinker, at least one good win, a smattering of passable results and relentlessly bad football regardless of the outcome. I could be miles off but I doubt it. We always do just enough on the whole, just not through any great strategy - simply relying on better players to come up with the goods enough times. Which I'm sure they'll continue to go because, for all the terrible football, the spirit and discipline in the squad never really falters. You're point is fair, not disputing that, but Wolfcastle is saying we're doing worse than Derby and Swindon (with regards to getting bummed)? I don't get what he means? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Without examining the fixtures, the pattern I'm referring to is that, among every handful of games you wanna refer to, there's at least one total stinker, at least one good win, a smattering of passable results and relentlessly bad football regardless of the outcome. I could be miles off but I doubt it. We always do just enough on the whole, just not through any great strategy - simply relying on better players to come up with the goods enough times. Which I'm sure they'll continue to go because, for all the terrible football, the spirit and discipline in the squad never really falters. You're point is fair, not disputing that, but Wolfcastle is saying we're doing worse than Derby and Swindon (with regards to getting bummed)? I don't get what he means? Tbh I was responding directly to Wolfcastle (hadn't seen your post by the time I hit Post); but now on reflection I'd misread his post anyway, I thought he was disagreeing with me regarding the presence of a pattern. But he wasn't, so my follow up explanation/justification wasn't required. Aaaanyway. We're better than Sheffield United and Derby. I think that's pretty obvious really. I wonder if we're better than the team who lost to Derby. Probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Plenty hyperbole on here that I laugh at but understand at the same time. We're fucking shit regardless and that won't change until Bruce fucks off and Ashley sells/dies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I would never deny we play shit football and have a poor manager. I just want this takeover to go through. I'm not naive, it's the only way we can progress, get the fans back on board, and grow as a club. But the constant exaggeration, and hyperbole on here is too much. "Sheffield United play better football, create better chances, better than us" and "Derby and Swindon didn't get dominated as much as we do". It's nonsensical. There's plenty to be critical of, rather than just saying outlandish fake shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 I would never deny we play shit football and have a poor manager. I just want this takeover to go through. I'm not naive, it's the only way we can progress, get the fans back on board, and grow as a club. But the constant exaggeration, and hyperbole on here is too much. "Sheffield United play better football, create better chances, better than us" and "Derby and Swindon didn't get dominated as much as we do". It's nonsensical. There's plenty to be critical of, rather than just saying outlandish fake shit. Newport were the better side against us, and we had plenty of first team players for that game. Fucking Newport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 If you ever think people on this board are full of shit, try heading over to one of those daft facebook groups. Another world like Aye, lets hand over the reigns to Lee Clark, most recently manager of Blyth Spartans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 So many stupid fucking thick people around. Can't tell the difference between Bruce and Rafa. Probably think donkeys and horses are the same. This made me feel bad, I like donkeys tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 If you ever think people on this board are full of s***, try heading over to one of those daft facebook groups. Another world like Aye, lets hand over the reigns to Lee Clark, most recently manager of Blyth Spartans Lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Lee Clark, ex manager of Blyth and now sporting director at Newcastle Blue Star Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Lee Clark, ex manager of Blyth and now sporting director at Newcastle Blue Star He's had such a full from grace since Huddersfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Lee Clark, ex manager of Blyth and now sporting director at Newcastle Blue Star He's had such a full from grace since Huddersfield Not the sharpest tool in the box, I would suggest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Lee Clark, ex manager of Blyth and now sporting director at Newcastle Blue Star He's had such a full from grace since Huddersfield He had Derek Fazackerley with him at Huddersfield, funnily enough it all went to shit for Clark after he left but I'm sure that's just a coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Hmm, Barton, Nolan or Clarke? I really can’t decide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
astraguy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Brucies #NUFC performance stats this season Chart with upwards trend Shots per game 19th Shots conceded per game 20th Goals conceded 18th Possession 19th Pass completion 18th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GideonShandy Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Luck 1st Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Rafa’s football was dire but he had worse players and less money than Bruce. While I doubt it would ever be bielsa like football under Rafa I think it would be better than what we are currently seeing and better than what we actually saw for most of Rafa’s tenure. As for those suggestions Half the problem with these people is they lack imagination. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 When you gave him the job, I remember saying - with no pleasure - that you'd see the following: utterly wretched football hopeless give-the-lads-a-slap-on-the-back style management zero discernible tactics team selections based on the players he thinks are 'good lads' or 'good professionals' a management style that relies on being better than enough other sides at not losing matches a value system in assessing results that is based on how acceptable it is to him - so long as he's not getting pelters, he's happy with it, he's the most important thing a truly grating 'woe is me' 'not my fault' approach to anything resembling criticism a media implying you don't like him because he's managed Sunderland / he's not foreign a scaling down of what is acceptable for your fans to a point at which it conveniently tallies with what he is actually delivering, vomit inducing obsequiousness to the people running the club He's very much like Martin O'Neill in that sense, and when he went to Sunderland, I remember posting on here what would happen there, and seeing it turn out to be true. The major difference, though, is that MON was obsessed with fast paced counter attacking football as his only way of playing, which only works in some circumstances, but is at least exciting to watch when it does work. Bruce doesn't have that going for him. It's so austere, drab and depressing. He got sacked by us after a wretched game against Preston, in which we missed a last minute penalty which would have drawn us level. It was the match in which someone threw a cabbage at him. We've not exactly moved on to the promised land since then, but it was seen in the media as OMG, how can they do it to a football man like Brucie? But for us, it's absolutely seen as a turning point in the evolution of the club. Thank god we missed that penalty. Dean Smith has his awful patches, too, but fucking hell, we are at least trying to improve, signing players to do it, and having a go at matches. We failed to beat Burnley at home today, but we managed 27 shots on goal. You accept goalless draws like that. Under Bruce that same fixture might have ended 0-0 but it would have been a 3 shot total match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 If you ever think people on this board are full of s***, try heading over to one of those daft facebook groups. Another world like Aye, lets hand over the reigns to Lee Clark, most recently manager of Blyth Spartans what the f*** is that I saw that and in fairness the original poster got slated in the comments. There is the odd exception but barely any fans seem to support Bruce now. I still don’t despise the bloke; I’m just ready for us to be taken over and for him to be swiftly shown the door. I know that’s asking for a lot still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Rafa’s football was dire but he had worse players and less money than Bruce. While I doubt it would ever be bielsa like football under Rafa I think it would be better than what we are currently seeing and better than what we actually saw for most of Rafa’s tenure. As for those suggestions Half the problem with these people is they lack imagination. Rafa’s football wasn’t really dire, it was just primarily defensive first. But it was clear there was a plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 So much to love about Rafa, but so often in the Championship I thought we were underwhelming when he didn’t have lack of investment as an excuse. Interestingly finishing top 10 was remarkable the next season, though I still don’t buy the money comparisons with Bruce. Rafa had some cracking defensive/keeper deals and Rondon on loan. Bruce had spent £40m on Joelinton, but whatever Bruce has done wrong with him (plenty I’d guess), I think we can all agree he’s not a £40m player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Yeah, but he was preparing his style for the PL while in the Championship. It was pointless playing attacking then having to completely change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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