TRon Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I thought JDT was a terrific player, unfortunately due to Shearers injury he was pushed up to play as a number 9 which just didn't suit. absolutely the exact point i was trying to make when i brought up tomasson. joelinton might be a decent player, but there's zero possibility of drawing a firm conclusion either way under present circumstances. This is where I am at the moment. I've seen some really nice touches and flashes of skill, but also some weak shooting and general lack of killer instinct you would expect in a striker. But the good bits make me want to see him succeed and hope it is just a case of being new to the league and having to cope with poor supply and movement around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I thought JDT was a terrific player, unfortunately due to Shearers injury he was pushed up to play as a number 9 which just didn't suit. absolutely the exact point i was trying to make when i brought up tomasson. joelinton might be a decent player, but there's zero possibility of drawing a firm conclusion either way under present circumstances. This is where I am at the moment. I've seen some really nice touches and flashes of skill, but also some weak shooting and general lack of killer instinct you would expect in a striker. But the good bits make me want to see him succeed and hope it is just a case of being new to the league and having to cope with poor supply and movement around him. why is this so hard for some to understand, the SELL HIM NOOOWWWWW mob blow my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Anyone be massively surprised if 5 years down the line they discover something dodgy about this transfer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I don’t think there’s anything dodgy like. Think we’ve just taken a punt on someone we thought we’d make a bit of a profit on and it’s backfired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 'Dodgy' is a dangerous term but the whole thing feels pretty disingenuous. Christ knows the full reasons for why the sale had to go through at all costs. Seems pretty clear to me that there's more to it than A, him being a good fit for the team (lol) and B, the usual shtick of trying to make a profit. He was a massive punt, even at £20m, and the transfer had been lined up for months. Ashley was desperate for it to go through, having previously had no input into specific transfers. Desperate enough to lose a world class manager over it. Smoke/fire n all that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Day Gadgie Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Anyone be massively surprised if 5 years down the line they discover something dodgy about this transfer? Not at all. Not one part of it makes sense when you take everything into consideration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Him and ASM having the same agent is one of the dodgy bits imo and that we spent so much money on both within a couple of weeks of each other. Obviously ASM looks like he could be value for money unlike Joelinton currently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I can't actually find anything online which qualifies this thing about them having the same agent. Waugh said they were both represented by ROGON Sportmanagement (specifically Christian Rapp), based in Germany, and there's some quotes from Rapp when the Joe transfer happened - but ROGON doesn't list Saint-Maximin as a client on Transfermarkt. So unless ASM is with Rapp independently from ROGON, I'm starting to wonder if it's actually true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Clubs favour certain agents, etc. Remember Shepherd with Willie McKay, Wolves seem to sign a lot from the same, Watford involved with Udinese/Granada... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The way Ashley went about it in his quotes that he’s ready to front the money from his wallet made it sound as if he was being stopped, by Rafa, from signing the next Ronaldo. All of it smells funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 He needs to be droped. we should play with false 9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I can't actually find anything online which qualifies this thing about them having the same agent. Waugh said they were both represented by ROGON Sportmanagement (specifically Christian Rapp), based in Germany, and there's some quotes from Rapp when the Joe transfer happened - but ROGON doesn't list Saint-Maximin as a client on Transfermarkt. So unless ASM is with Rapp independently from ROGON, I'm starting to wonder if it's actually true. There's stuff on the ROGON website and Instagram about ASM. I'm sure ROGON used to be on his transfermarkt but doesn;t seem to be any more https://www.instagram.com/p/B2osyW5IQYQ/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 It was on transfermarkt, I looked it up at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Did well getting Jan Kirchhoff to KFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I can't actually find anything online which qualifies this thing about them having the same agent. Waugh said they were both represented by ROGON Sportmanagement (specifically Christian Rapp), based in Germany, and there's some quotes from Rapp when the Joe transfer happened - but ROGON doesn't list Saint-Maximin as a client on Transfermarkt. So unless ASM is with Rapp independently from ROGON, I'm starting to wonder if it's actually true. There's stuff on the ROGON website and Instagram about ASM. I'm sure ROGON used to be on his transfermarkt but doesn;t seem to be any more https://www.instagram.com/p/B2osyW5IQYQ/ Cheers, never thought to look on Instagram.There you go then. Clubs using the same agencies is bound to be commonplace but it confirms immediately - as if we needed it - that we're fucking off the concept of identifying players to suit a footballing agenda and style of team. It's just business. Whether or not there's anything more disingenuous about it, we don't know, but the fact it was blatantly wrapped up earlier in the year - despite Bruce having the final sahahaHAHAHAHAOURGHH -- ahem, excuse me -- final say - in addition the the fact that Ashley was so desperate to get it done having never had an input on individual incomings, plus the fee, plus the fact he's wank, plus the fact we've never spent anything like this before... you've got to wonder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Also bear in mind prior form On 1 September 2008, Gonzales joined Newcastle United on loan until the end of the season. This move was the final straw for the latter's manager Kevin Keegan, who claimed he was forced to sign the player by executive director Dennis Wise after only seeing him play on YouTube, and believing the former was not good enough for the team A Premier League tribunal confirmed in October that the loan signing had been against manager Keegan's wishes, and was in breach of his contract, resulting in a compensation payout to the manager. The deal was reportedly done by Wise and Mike Ashley as a "favour" for two South American agents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 The moment Newcastle United staff were convinced they had a player in Joelinton https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-spurs-joelinton-bruce-17544744 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Some decent comments from Steve, there. Of all the examples of foreign players struggling he chooses Veron, though? Wasn't it injuries with him (as opposed to being rubbish)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate End Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 “He is still young, same age as Sean Longstaff, and everyone calls him a youngster” No he isn’t Steve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Brewcie says he hopes that Joelinton didn't hear the abuse directed at him during the Rochdale game.............I hope he did bloody hear it and gets his finger out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 19 games without a goal is shocking. Needs dropping, loaned out or sold. Take the hit, move on. Whatever talent he has it won't come out in this environment, not after that shite start, there's no way back for him. Feel sorry for him but Ashley must be gutted, so not all bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just a propheteer Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 Hope he gets a goal or 2 today and next weekend. Stick it to the morons who abuse him but won't say a word about Ashley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 The moment Newcastle United staff were convinced they had a player in Joelinton https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-spurs-joelinton-bruce-17544744 The ONLY moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 19 games without a goal is shocking. Needs dropping, loaned out or sold. Take the hit, move on. Whatever talent he has it won't come out in this environment, not after that shite start, there's no way back for him. Feel sorry for him but Ashley must be gutted, so not all bad. Nobody will thrive in this environment. It's all just rats in a maze. And any who are smart enough to work this out are instantly sold for profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 maybe he was bought to get the fans in, Asda do the same with their fuel sell it cheap but gets the punters to shop in their shops, called a loss leader or something along those lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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