Success at what cost?

[Wullie]

We seem to have synthicized the criticism into this red herring of “Newcastle fans, by not being critical of the new owners, bear tacit responsibility for the transgressions of the Saudi regime.” Not a single person has suggested that.

 

“Enjoy the club’s success, but don’t be a disingenuous dickhead when it comes to highlighting the source of that success,” is a more accurate distillation of the point we’ve been making.

 

An interesting question to ask though, is how many people would be willing to actively protest against them when Haaland, Mbappe and Matty Longstaff are lashing the goals in?

 

You know when Mike Ashley does something shitty in business and the news article always mentions the name of Newcastle United in there somewhere, and you feel a tinge of shame and disgust? We will probably seeing that happen in relation to war crimes.

[Hhtoon]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

Alright, calm down  I didn't mention human rights abuses and you have misunderstood.

 

By justifying it, I am referring to those who are responding to peoples criticisms by mentioning Saudi investments in twitter, Uber, UK trade etc. People ARE doing this, and I think it's a non starter and we shouldn't engage.

 

Celebrating - I will absolutely celebrate Ashley going, didn't say I wouldn't. I won't directly celebrate the Saudi involvement with pro chants, banners etc. Not seeing anyone will, but think it's a bad show if they do.

 

Hopefully that clears it up for you

 

[themanupstairs]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

[triggs]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

 

Is the success of Newcastle United more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within the reach of the Saudi oppression?

[Wullie]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

 

In the same way the cost of my phone contract is more important to me than the death of someone I don't know in Eritrea yesterday yes. I will be putting much more effort into addressing the former than the latter. I'm a human.

[themanupstairs]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

 

In the same way the cost of my phone contract is more important to me than the death of someone I don't know in Eritrea yesterday yes. I will be putting much more effort into addressing the former than the latter. I'm a human.

 

That's exactly my point. All humans are hypocrites by default. We have a perceived powerlessness (rightly or wrongly) to change things we have no control over. NUFC fans have no control over who buys the club and what they do in their spare time. The responsibility lies with those who can make a change and in this case it's government/PL etc. Protesting against new Saudi owners won't stop the oppression. They might decide against buying the club and pump their cash elsewhere. My gripe isn't with questioning the morality of letting Saudis control the club. My gripe is with the condescending notion that if they do buy the club it's somehow our fault and indirectly implicates us in whatever abusive activities they indulge in. You're either fully up for the fight against injustice or you're not. Anywhere in the middle is hypocrisy (I include myself in that btw).

 

On the reverse side of the coin, I find the whole sudden waving of Saudi flags in usernames and memes cringeworthy. In an ideal scenario we'd get serious business people with acceptable levels of financial muscle to buy the club (who aren't involved in illegal or abusive activity), and they go on to build the club in the fairytale way we all dream of. The chances of that happening are remote unfortunately because of the way the PL has become and all the outrageous money that has been pumped into it. Football is no longer a competitive sport and is now a lucrative entertainment product.

 

Personally I'd rather it went back to being a real sport even if it meant I, a foreigner, had less access to the club I support and love.

[Wullie]

I'd agree with all of that tbh.

[themanupstairs]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

 

Is the success of Newcastle United more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within the reach of the Saudi oppression?

 

I haven't said that and I haven't even defended the Saudis man. I desperately want the club to be rid of Mike Ashley, and at the same time I hate that it's the Saudis who are looking likely to replace him. On a personal level, having the richest owners in world football doesn't excite me in the long run. Yeah we could win one or two trophies and celebrate them. But soon enough it would become everything I already hate about modern PL football. Incessant product saturation using the top brands in Super Sundays and Super Monday Night Football Pundit Wankfests.

 

 

[triggs]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

 

Is the success of Newcastle United more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within the reach of the Saudi oppression?

 

I haven't said that and I haven't even defended the Saudis man. I desperately want the club to be rid of Mike Ashley, and at the same time I hate that it's the Saudis who are looking likely to replace him. On a personal level, having the richest owners in world football doesn't excite me in the long run. Yeah we could win one or two trophies and celebrate them. But soon enough it would become everything I already hate about modern PL football. Incessant product saturation using the top brands in Super Sundays and Super Monday Night Football Pundit Wankfests.

 

I only asked you that because it's a similar question to the one you asked Wullie. Agree on the rest. Man City to me are boring as sin in every way at the moment after the exciting first few years

[Guest Howaythetoon]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime?

 

Why does it come as a surprise to you that people are more concerned with something they hold dear to their heart than something they don't?

 

It's important to me that NUFC is something to be proud of. I think it's the most important factor for me. It hasn't been for some years, but it is in serious danger of being even less so under the prospective new owners given their past and present. I don't think I need to have a long history of campaigning against Saudi Arabia to feel that way.

 

If my mother suddenly decides to marry a serial killer and I'm not happy about it, an argument of "well I didn't hear you complain when he married his last wife!" doesn't hold a great deal of water.

 

So the reputation/perception of NUFC is more important to you than the death and suffering of those unfortunate enough to be within reach of the Saudi oppression? Is that a fair summation?

 

In the same way the cost of my phone contract is more important to me than the death of someone I don't know in Eritrea yesterday yes. I will be putting much more effort into addressing the former than the latter. I'm a human.

 

That's exactly my point. All humans are hypocrites by default. We have a perceived powerlessness (rightly or wrongly) to change things we have no control over. NUFC fans have no control over who buys the club and what they do in their spare time. The responsibility lies with those who can make a change and in this case it's government/PL etc. Protesting against new Saudi owners won't stop the oppression. They might decide against buying the club and pump their cash elsewhere. My gripe isn't with questioning the morality of letting Saudis control the club. My gripe is with the condescending notion that if they do buy the club it's somehow our fault and indirectly implicates us in whatever abusive activities they indulge in. You're either fully up for the fight against injustice or you're not. Anywhere in the middle is hypocrisy (I include myself in that btw).

 

On the reverse side of the coin, I find the whole sudden waving of Saudi flags in usernames and memes cringeworthy. In an ideal scenario we'd get serious business people with acceptable levels of financial muscle to buy the club (who aren't involved in illegal or abusive activity), and they go on to build the club in the fairytale way we all dream of. The chances of that happening are remote unfortunately because of the way the PL has become and all the outrageous money that has been pumped into it. Football is no longer a competitive sport and is now a lucrative entertainment product.

 

Personally I'd rather it went back to being a real sport even if it meant I, a foreigner, had less access to the club I support and love.

 

And another good post.

 

I just wish they would all fuck off, let fans and local communities run our clubs and if that means there aren’t as many superstars who cares, I’d watch NUFC play in any league even with a bunch of shit players if I felt what I was supporting was something that belonged to me, that we owned and that went out to win lose or draw on our behalf.

[Kid Icarus]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime? Do any of these people actually know the history of the kingdom and how it came to be? Perhaps a slight in-depth understanding of this history might shed a bit of light on the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

 

My overall point is that there's no doubt the Saudis are an oppressive extremist regime who can't be allowed to carry on what they've been doing for decades. Not only on a local but also a regional and international scale. The responsibility of that doesn't lie anywhere near Newcastle United fans though. And if people are happy to turn a blind eye to crimes of other nations/owners/criminals in their sport or league then they can also leave NUFC well the f*** alone to get on with it.

 

Ah okay, so you are having a go at our own fans and presuming that the moral issues that people have with the Saudi government are sudden then. As pointed in my previous post, at least on here, that presumption is total bullshit.

[Darth Crooks]

One of the most annoying things to come out of all this is journalists using the "you think Ashley was reprehensible, this lot are on a whole other level!" argument. The hatred for Ashley stems from the absolutely shameful way he, often deliberately, mismanaged the club, not his other misdemeanours. Had he approached things in the correct way there would never have been calls for his head (pardon the pun), regardless of how disgraceful the conditions were for workers in his tat warehouses. We all know that.

 

My overall take on this is that we as fans should enjoy the ride we look set to go on, whilst refraining from fawning over the Saudi royal family as our wonderful saviours. We form the bottom rung on this fucked-up ladder and there's very little that we can do that would affect matters. Be mindful of where the investment is coming from by all means, and don't fly the Saudi flag in your social media names like some weird obsessive teenagers, but don't feel guilty for supporting your club. We've waited a very long time for this.

 

This wholeheartedly

[BlueStar]

Could do with Wor Flags getting that rainbow pride Tifo out again on the next rainbow laces day, make sure we're not going to be stifled for anything like that.

[samptime29]

The annoying thing about Ashley even if he made a couple of mistakes but then learned from it, and he acted professionally - it likely would have fine.

 

He was just a dickhead. Far too many mistakes, twat.

[TRon]

They're worse than Ashley, but I still want them to buy the club.

 

We can oppose things that our owners do away from football, without having to also oppose them for ruining our club and refusing to sell for a decade.

 

I believe this is the thread for this debate also, rather than in every single thread.

 

 

Tbf, had Ashley actually invested in the team, and shown even the slightest appetite for the growth and wellbeing of the club, I'd have been happy with him as an owner. I have never been one who has got too pissed off with how he ran his business. Most businesses are cut from the same cloth. If you buy our football club, I only have one simple requirement, run it well. I believe that PIF, the Reubens and Stavely will do that.

[huss9]

like Greg said on talksports - its not for us to make the stand. our government think the saudi's are decent guys.

 

Hell, even the Qatari's got the world cup.

[Si]

like Greg said on talksports - its not for us to make the stand. our government think the saudi's are decent guys.

 

Hell, even the Qatari's got the world cup.

It sure the world cup has any weight given the absolute corruption in the process (not just that one obviously)

[Happinesstan]

I’m going to back away as this feels more like a conversation over a pint than in a forum.  I’m arguing one side as I’m frustrated with the Newcastle bias. This is making people jump to quite large conclusion on where my moral compass lies. I don’t have energy to write long posts justifying everything.

 

I think you either accept it or you don't,  as soon as you start the discussion on morality then you begin from a losing position, as the negatives of the regime currently outweigh the positives.

Trying to justify if or overtly celebrating it (please no headscarves ) is just painting us in a bad light.

 

Is anyone justifying or celebrating human rights abuses ffs? What absolute nonsense. People are overtly celebrating the departure of the club's horrible owner to be replaced by extremely wealthy new owners. The two issues ARE separate and people will eventually have to come down off their high horses when the realisation of their hypocrisy sets in.

 

You still talking about journalists here?

 

I'm talking about people who are wagging their disapproving fingers at NUFC fans over this takeover, be they journalists, own fans or other clubs' fans.

 

Suddenly internet people have moral issues with the Saudi government? Is the concern for the victims genuine or is it just a fashionable topic to pontificate on? If the concern is genuine what have these people done to put pressure on their own governments to stop actively aiding this regime? Do any of these people actually know the history of the kingdom and how it came to be? Perhaps a slight in-depth understanding of this history might shed a bit of light on the hypocrisy I'm talking about.

 

My overall point is that there's no doubt the Saudis are an oppressive extremist regime who can't be allowed to carry on what they've been doing for decades. Not only on a local but also a regional and international scale. The responsibility of that doesn't lie anywhere near Newcastle United fans though. And if people are happy to turn a blind eye to crimes of other nations/owners/criminals in their sport or league then they can also leave NUFC well the fuck alone to get on with it.

 

That argument swings both ways, doesn't it?

[Happinesstan]

like Greg said on talksports - its not for us to make the stand. our government think the saudi's are decent guys.

 

Hell, even the Qatari's got the world cup.

 

Aye but our govt are utter cunts.

[Klaus]

Our government don't think the Saudis are 'decent guys' at all. They know how awful their regime is, but they turn a blind eye and sell them weapons, which is arguably much worse.

[madras]

Our government don't think the Saudis are 'decent guys' at all. They know how awful their regime is, but they turn a blind eye and sell them weapons, which is arguably much worse.

They do a load more business than that.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Could do with Wor Flags getting that rainbow pride Tifo out again on the next rainbow laces day, make sure we're not going to be stifled for anything like that.

 

I agree, it'd be a good stance to take - but some of our own fans took a huff when it was used 

 

It's why Delaney is kidding himself if he thinks we'll hold up banners of Jamal Khashoggi en-masse. Sure, you might get one or two but football isn't a particularly "woke" sport and Newcastle isn't really a woke part of the country.

[Rafalove]

Could do with Wor Flags getting that rainbow pride Tifo out again on the next rainbow laces day, make sure we're not going to be stifled for anything like that.

 

I agree, it'd be a good stance to take - but some of our own fans took a huff when it was used 

 

It's why Delaney is kidding himself if he thinks we'll hold up banners of Jamal Khashoggi en-masse. Sure, you might get one or two but football isn't a particularly "woke" sport and Newcastle isn't really a woke part of the country.

 

 

 

Tbf, Newcastle has a history as good as anywhere on particularly the fight against racism

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

Not sure what "blame" we can't easily absolve ourselves from? Bit lost at what point the mackem is making. 

 

(Original tweet is him questioning the chair of NUST saying "The involvement of Saudi Arabian wealth in the takeover is not a concern right now")

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Surprised at Glendinning talking that much nonsense.