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Elliot Anderson (now playing for Nottingham Forest)

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12 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

Joelinton has been out for 39 games in the last 2 years with 6 separate injury layoffs. He would probably have gotten quite a few starts last season, and even more in this one with the added load of CL. Not a star player like at Forest, but I still think his development would have been good with us, and with increasingly more minutes as he got better.

 

 

 

 

 

He never actually shone when he replaced Joelinton on the left side of midfield though. At Forest he seems to be playing more centrally. Maybe their formation suits him more?

 

 

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1 hour ago, TRon said:

 

 

He never actually shone when he replaced Joelinton on the left side of midfield though. At Forest he seems to be playing more centrally. Maybe their formation suits him more?

 

 

 

Or he was young and still had no rhythm in senior top level football. Leaving and playing a full season of Premier League football, has seen a leap in his progress to the point of becoming possibly a top player. 

 

 

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58 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

We had that strong end to the season where we got up to 7th.  Anderson was in that team and was playing well. 

 

His back injury was even more of a disaster in hindsight. I'm convinced he would have had a breakthrough with us that season. Looked very good in pre season. At the very least his value would have gone up.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Menace said:

It really is one of the worst deals of all time - especially when you consider Vlachodimos has zero resell value.

 

Champions League qualification, as opposed to a points deduction that has us nowhere near (plus the inevitable distracting sub-plot as we made a legal challenge) offsets it. I hate that we're not enjoying his progress as much as the next person, but there's an argument that it was actually a brilliant deal, seeing as he was only going to be a fringe player anyway. But I don't think you can measure it like any typical transfer anyway tbh.

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1 hour ago, healthyaddiction said:

Because Forest had us over a barrel due to our PSR problems. We bought Vlachodimos for £20m to make the deal happen. 

Tbf, we had ourselves over a the barrel. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Champions League qualification, as opposed to a points deduction that has us nowhere near (plus the inevitable distracting sub-plot as we made a legal challenge) offsets it. I hate that we're not enjoying his progress as much as the next person, but there's an argument that it was actually a brilliant deal, seeing as he was only going to be a fringe player anyway. But I don't think you can measure it like any typical transfer anyway tbh.

It's one of those great terrible deals. Like cutting your trapped hand off in order to escape a frozen mountain with your life. Done in the service of something greater, but it's still shit.

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1 hour ago, Bimpy474 said:

 

Or he was young and still had no rhythm in senior top level football. Leaving and playing a full season of Premier League football, has seen a leap in his progress to the point of becoming possibly a top player. 

 

 

 

 

 

Tbf, he didn't want to leave and we didn't want to sell him. Eddie was a big fan, but this and the Minteh deal was forced on us by PSR, which has been forced on us effectively by the cartel. This is how the system is rigged at the moment. Isak's sale probably wouldn't have happened either if we were able to hand out a contract last season when he was pushing for it. 

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2 hours ago, TRon said:

 

 

Tbf, he didn't want to leave and we didn't want to sell him. Eddie was a big fan, but this and the Minteh deal was forced on us by PSR, which has been forced on us effectively by the cartel. This is how the system is rigged at the moment. Isak's sale probably wouldn't have happened either if we were able to hand out a contract last season when he was pushing for it. 

 

Agree with all of that mate :thup:

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18 hours ago, Erikse said:

 

His back injury was even more of a disaster in hindsight. I'm convinced he would have had a breakthrough with us that season. Looked very good in pre season. At the very least his value would have gone up.

 

 

 

Yep.

 

The Anderson fee is artificially inflated too. It's more like £15-18m.

 

I don't think we are where we are today we've our decisions to keep the older more experienced players. But I rate Ashworth vision of moving on Big Joe.

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18 hours ago, Menace said:

It really is one of the worst deals of all time - especially when you consider Vlachodimos has zero resell value.

Depends how you look at it - not doing the deal, breaching PSR and getting even a one point deduction and we wouldn't have champions league. That would have cost us a fuck ton of money.

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1 hour ago, Checko said:

Depends how you look at it - not doing the deal, breaching PSR and getting even a one point deduction and we wouldn't have champions league. That would have cost us a fuck ton of money.

Having a better squad would've likely got us more points/wins.

 

But aye we are here based on decisions made. Major wins and some drawbacks.

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19 hours ago, relámpago blanco said:

Is all you lot do whine? I bet if we ever win the Champions League there will be people on here moaning that it's unlikely well do that every year so was basically pointless.

 

I think some folk just enjoy the game of relitigating the past with the benefit of hindsight. I can't fathom how it's entertaining but I also don't understand footjobs so there you go. 

 

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2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

Yep.

 

The Anderson fee is artificially inflated too. It's more like £15-18m.

 

I don't think we are where we are today we've our decisions to keep the older more experienced players. But I rate Ashworth vision of moving on Big Joe.

 

 

Although Big Joe was a primary reason why we won our first trophy in 70 years. I suppose it's possible we could have won it without him, but in the semis and final he was pretty outstanding. 

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24 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

Although Big Joe was a primary reason why we won our first trophy in 70 years. I suppose it's possible we could have won it without him, but in the semis and final he was pretty outstanding. 

Exactly. It's worked out. We have a trophy and CL football and I don't think that happens without Big Joe. I'll take it and all the consequences. 

 

But I see the vision Ashworth had. His job was to look after the medium/long-term of the club and selling Big Joe at peak value would've helped that.

 

I personally think we should focus on the short term anyway. B2B CL campaigns and such. Our transfer approach has aligned with that by signing mostly PL players and players 22-25. We aren't spending a decent wedge on kids that need development in the main. I always thought Hall was an Ashworth-led signing. I didn't think Hall would nail down a starting spot that season and that whole situation cost us some points and Europe imo. But that's paid off in the medium term already. We've picked our poison this summer anyway.

 

One thing about signing athletic players is that their peaks are usually earlier in their careers. We do have to time their sales smartly.

 

 

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