Jackie Broon Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If it goes on any longer PIF won’t want to take over a club looking likely to get relegated. Imo if this goes in to March they either walk away or wait till the season is over and hope we stay up Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. Ashley has shown time and time again that he is willing to take that sort of gamble. Should the issues with the O&D test be sorted any time soon I can't see the takeover going through until the outcome of that gamble is known. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If it goes on any longer PIF won’t want to take over a club looking likely to get relegated. Imo if this goes in to March they either walk away or wait till the season is over and hope we stay up Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. To be honest, Mike's position here isn't unreasonable. He's potentially a pube's width away from selling the club and doesn't want to be parting with any more money than he needs to. What does he care if we go down after that? He might also feel that the buyers are calling his bluff with this "mustn't get relegated" talk. And he might be right. They've invested so much in it already. Either way, I'm sure there's pressure form the buyers to bin the fat oaf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Let's say, whatever needs to happen this week, happens. Everything goes in our favour. Do you really think, the PL will say, "oh look. Saudis and Qatar are buddies again. All legal obstacles there are dropped. Ok PIF. You can take control of Newcastle United Football Club once the keys arrive on your doorstep through the mail next week". Surely they'll make us go through whatever pathetic test they have arranged, take a bit more time to chew on it a little and then, maybe just maybe, they will give the green light? That'll take ages and baconhead would probably have us in the relegation zone already. Oh, that's not even including the influx of letters that the PL will receive from widows, human rights groups, a bunch of nobodies and etc. Masters needs to reply to all those again. This is going to drag on again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If it goes on any longer PIF won’t want to take over a club looking likely to get relegated. Imo if this goes in to March they either walk away or wait till the season is over and hope we stay up Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. Ashley has shown time and time again that he is willing to take that sort of gamble. Should the issues with the O&D test be sorted any time soon I can't see the takeover going through until the outcome of that gamble is known. If he's prepared to gamble on relegation and subsequently the sale, then it tells me that he isn't truly committed to getting rid of the club. That and that he is an utter fuckwit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If it goes on any longer PIF won’t want to take over a club looking likely to get relegated. Imo if this goes in to March they either walk away or wait till the season is over and hope we stay up Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. Ashley has shown time and time again that he is willing to take that sort of gamble. Should the issues with the O&D test be sorted any time soon I can't see the takeover going through until the outcome of that gamble is known. If he's prepared to gamble on relegation and subsequently the sale, then it tells me that he isn't truly committed to getting rid of the club. That and that he is an utter fuckwit. He's spent the past 13 years doing everything he could to prove exactly that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If it goes on any longer PIF won’t want to take over a club looking likely to get relegated. Imo if this goes in to March they either walk away or wait till the season is over and hope we stay up Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. Ashley has shown time and time again that he is willing to take that sort of gamble. Should the issues with the O&D test be sorted any time soon I can't see the takeover going through until the outcome of that gamble is known. If he's prepared to gamble on relegation and subsequently the sale, then it tells me that he isn't truly committed to getting rid of the club. That and that he is an utter fuckwit. He's spent the past 13 years doing everything he could to prove exactly that. Certainly don't disagree. I just thought this time was different in that I thought he definitely wanted to sell the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 If it goes on any longer PIF won’t want to take over a club looking likely to get relegated. Imo if this goes in to March they either walk away or wait till the season is over and hope we stay up Do we know for an absolute fact that relegation is a show stopper ? They've spent so long on this, it would be a decision made on such short term thinking if they dropped it because of relegation. With the right structure and management in place, quick promotion back to the PL could be achieved. Buying the club will be a long term plan so it would appear a bit silly to dump it all for maybe 1/2 years in the championship. They want the club because of it's potential. Relegation doesn't take that potential away. All of the “ITK’s” have stated that it’s off it we’re relegated. Should we choose to believe that they know the takeover is still on but ignore that part? Oh of course not. It's as likely to be as correct as all the other info that they provide. I think i'm looking for reasons as to why Ashley doesn't appear to be panicking. As much as he likes to gamble, I can't believe he (or the buyers) would gamble on this falling through, given how much has been spent on it. To be honest, Mike's position here isn't unreasonable. He's potentially a pube's width away from selling the club and doesn't want to be parting with any more money than he needs to. What does he care if we go down after that? He might also feel that the buyers are calling his bluff with this "mustn't get relegated" talk. And he might be right. They've invested so much in it already. Either way, I'm sure there's pressure form the buyers to bin the fat oaf. The thing is though sacking Bruce isn’t coming out of his own pocket, it’s the clubs. He can always pay Bruce off and ultimately the consortium will be the ones finding the bill for Bruce’s contract. Rafa was supposed to have clause in his contract that if he was sacked then they would only pay out what remained of the season we were in, similarly if he was to leave then the compensation would be the same. It would be hard to believe that Bruce isn’t on a similar contract, or potentially worse in terms of his pay off. If Ashley is gambling, then he’s gambling out of the thrill not out of wanting to save £200k-£300k at most. This is the guy who gambled £1m on red and lost it, then went on drinking the night away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Can anyone remember what was the reason for the top 6 clubs objected to the takeover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Can anyone remember what was the reason for the top 6 clubs objected to the takeover Not sure an official 'reason' has been given. But it's clear the so called 'big 6' clubs fear a cash rich Saudi backed team pushing one of the down the pecking order, and doing a Man City. Used to be a Top 4 didn't it, till Chelsea and Man City got taken over pushed in. And of course, only so many european places to play for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Can anyone remember what was the reason for the top 6 clubs objected to the takeover Because given the potential backing of the Saudis to us, one of them wouldn’t be in the top 6 for much longer....pure jealousy and fear at being usurped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 So is Bein the only hurdle ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Us owned by the Saudis. Leeds owned by Qatar. With that level of competition, the PL would be exciting. You'd think they'd be falling over themselves to pass the takeover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 So is Bein the only hurdle ? Nobody has a clue and ignore any ITKs who pretend they do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Us owned by the Saudis. Leeds owned by Qatar. With that level of competition, the PL would be exciting. You'd think they'd be falling over themselves to pass the takeover. I make you right, the Premier League is about money and deals, if the Bein issue is sorted this week the takeover will go through, I imagine FFP will be getting mentioned a lot over the next few weeks to appease the top 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 So is Bein the only hurdle ? Not officially, the PL's official position is that that the Saudi state should be included as a director in the O&D test, although they have refused to actually make a formal decision on that basis. The piracy issue might then become a reason to disqualify the Saudi state, but it's hard to see how they could actually do that within the scope of the test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I guess there's a possibility... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 He steps down as chairman, which means theres no link anymore between PIF and the Saudi Gov / Royal Family, thus takeoevr can proceed as only hurdle PL mentioned was MBS undergoing O&D test? #Clutching Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 https://www.arabnews.com/node/1797696/saudi-arabia Nailed on to be confirmation that we’ve been taken over, Bruce has been dismissed and Benitez is new manager. Can’t see what else it could be? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Can anyone remember what was the reason for the top 6 clubs objected to the takeover Bein lobbied the pl other 19 clubs to block our takeover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 He steps down as chairman, which means theres no link anymore between PIF and the Saudi Gov / Royal Family, thus takeoevr can proceed as only hurdle PL mentioned was MBS undergoing O&D test? #Clutching He’s not going to step down just so they can buy a football club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 There you go. It's nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 1. Grow Assets 2. Unlock Sectors 3. Build Partnerships 4. Localise Knowledge .....................its on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlymouthGeordie Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 There you go. It's nowt. If anything, it frustratingly adds credence to the PL's concerns that he has ultimate control of the fund. If he didnt, why is he announcing their investment strategy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Im absolutely fucking sick of this now man. Fucking buy the place , let them buy us ffs I’m going round the bastard bend with all this Either yes or fuking no , we all need to know . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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