SAK Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Fear not about other clubs being up for sale due to ESL falling through. Spanish sources claiming PL clubs were offered bigger cut of UCL money which Spanish clubs weren't to pull out. Could be Madrid tactic put out in the media to hide their embarrassment for the ESL collapse. But if true everyone who qualifies is quids in. Edited April 21, 2021 by SAK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 19/04/2021 at 23:42, Raconteur said: I’d go further and suggest the Super League proposal slashed the value of our club (and all other not-Super clubs). There’s no way NUFC can be properly valued today (or in a week, possibly even a month before things shake out). Even if arbitration ends successfully today, the takeover doesn’t happen until the consortium and Ashley agree to a price. Fortunately, Ashley is a skilled negotiator with a long track record of making good deals... Expand Posts that age like milk #4,278 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 So the nature of sovereign wealth after all this not bother anyone then? Or is it too simple a dichotomy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snabelkabel Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Not gonna happen, but if the owners of the 6, may continue without the clubs being rejected from playing in the PL, then PIF should just buy the club regardless of the ODT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 07:12, snabelkabel said: Not gonna happen, but if the owners of the 6, may continue without the clubs being rejected from playing in the PL, then PIF should just buy the club regardless of the ODT. Expand I actually agree with this. Call their bluff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 ODT test can crash and burn..17 weeks trying to complete ours and turns out the ones they passed previously were absolute shitheads. What a surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Think I'll wait for all the hoo-haa around wealthy owners to die down before demanding our takeover, by the richest private wealth fund in the known universe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 07:12, snabelkabel said: Not gonna happen, but if the owners of the 6, may continue without the clubs being rejected from playing in the PL, then PIF should just buy the club regardless of the ODT. Expand Nothing to lose. This sorry episode has provided a load more ammunition for our legal team, I don’t know how the PL can keep a straight face in regards to their members acting like spoilt brats calling all of their previous testing in to question. These 6 nearly killed their league and would have if public opinion wasn’t so against it. The PL need to do everything they can to rebalance the power away from these 6, bringing in a competitor would be a nice way to start to show who really is in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 06:06, Darth Crooks said: So the nature of sovereign wealth after all this not bother anyone then? Or is it too simple a dichotomy? Expand Howay man, can't we enjoy the peaceful, unified forum for another five minutes before launching back into this? Jk, fact is it's always been about Ashley going, rather than Saudis coming in. The ideal world is owners with solely/majority footballing intentions come along, but that's not going to happen without proper reform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Sorry I don't doubt it's about Ashley out. My ears and excitment are being pricked far more re: stuff like the pledge and the (no doubt temporary) heat of debate surrounding reform at the minute. Its the time to strike whilst the iron's hot for fans. This government seem prepared to court them right now at least - closet socialist Olly Dowden and the Pm chief among them. I don't know how I feel about a Saudi takeover, I guess I'd hold my nose but it's a continuation of the direction of travel in light of all this and I'd at least not do myself the disservice. A successful franchise model under a culture of a sovereign state could mean exactly the same issues these others clubs face. Newcastle's fanbase is massive. At the risk of sounding arrogant - we aren't amongst the Burnley's and Brighton's of this world...just yet. Despite howver Bruce and Ashley's want to paint. Don't get me wrong - Ashley is just at a different part of the spectrum of the same problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) If the last 48hrs have taught the footballing world anything it's that the ODT solves nothing and preventing our takeover for the "integrity of the league" is akin to sticking an elastoplast on a cracked dam. Something has to give, hopefully it's the tissue paper thin ODT and not using NUFC as the benchmark to bolt the proverbial stable door. Edited April 21, 2021 by Mattoon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I'm not sure the ODT is designed to solve anything, it's just designed to exclude the most obvious criminals. Or to make it look like the people who have been admitted can't be that obvious criminals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 so OD&T are meant to be applied every year! So therefore the Owners of those 6 clubs should now fail the tests............I wont hold my breathe! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 09:14, Awaymag said: so OD&T are meant to be applied every year! So therefore the Owners of those 6 clubs should now fail the tests............I wont hold my breathe! Expand On what basis though? I doubt the test has any text relating to something that this could be applied to. Basically the test is not fit for purpose Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Isn't football awful at the moment? We've spent far more time in the past year talking about corruption, greed, and court cases than we have anything on the pitch. The actual game (on the field) almost feels incidental these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) especially as 'happy' alsorans Edited April 21, 2021 by Darth Crooks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 10:22, Wallsendmag said: Isn't football awful at the moment? We've spent far more time in the past year talking about corruption, greed, and court cases than we have anything on the pitch. The actual game (on the field) almost feels incidental these days. Expand It's been the same forever....there's always some corruption story lurking in the background. George Graham taking bungs Serie A Scandal Players influencing games for betting (LeTissier corner debacle) FiFa world cup voting Big Sam's alleged dodgy dealings Jean-Alain Boumsong Qatar getting a world cup awarded without being able to hold one Fergie-time 98 World Cup final wrt forcing the real Ronaldo to play hours after having a fit Chelsea Man City Glazers And thats just off the top of my head without research Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 10:40, gjohnson said: It's been the same forever....there's always some corruption story lurking in the background. George Graham taking bungs Serie A Scandal Players influencing games for betting (LeTissier corner debacle) FiFa world cup voting Big Sam's alleged dodgy dealings Jean-Alain Boumsong Qatar getting a world cup awarded without being able to hold one Fergie-time 98 World Cup final wrt forcing the real Ronaldo to play hours after having a fit Chelsea Man City Glazers And thats just off the top of my head without research Expand No mention of Platini? Or the Panama Papers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 10:40, gjohnson said: It's been the same forever....there's always some corruption story lurking in the background. George Graham taking bungs Serie A Scandal Players influencing games for betting (LeTissier corner debacle) FiFa world cup voting Big Sam's alleged dodgy dealings Jean-Alain Boumsong Qatar getting a world cup awarded without being able to hold one Fergie-time 98 World Cup final wrt forcing the real Ronaldo to play hours after having a fit Chelsea Man City Glazers And thats just off the top of my head without research Expand Harry Redkanpp and his amazing number counting dog? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 10:40, gjohnson said: It's been the same forever....there's always some corruption story lurking in the background. George Graham taking bungs Serie A Scandal Players influencing games for betting (LeTissier corner debacle) FiFa world cup voting Big Sam's alleged dodgy dealings Jean-Alain Boumsong Qatar getting a world cup awarded without being able to hold one Fergie-time 98 World Cup final wrt forcing the real Ronaldo to play hours after having a fit Chelsea Man City Glazers And thats just off the top of my head without research Expand Aye but even then most of the talk was still, on the field actual football related. Nowadays we seem to be taking more about off the field events, probably nowhere more than at Newcastle tbh. Certainly I'd say the 3 most talked about topics on here are the 2 takeover ones and the Mike Ashley thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 At the end of the day, the test is not fit for purpose. The lack of transparency or constant application is flat out negligent. The league has long become a victim of catering to the top end clubs and tv partners. The test should be about business plan, liquidity, and recourse if something happens under their ownership that they can’t cure via money/fine or penalty via increased regulation on how they conduct business. They should not be attempting to play politics like they have done with us. They should not allow owners to break away and form their own super league or owners to bleed a club dry. They should not allow their owners to encumber a club with highly levered and expensive debt. That’s the role of the league. They need to punish the 6 with the kitchen sink. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The fact can’t be lost on Masters that he’s tried to do the big 6 a favour by wrecking our takeover and they’ve absolutely pissed on his cornflakes in return. If it was me I’d have waved the deal through as soon as the super league shite came out. Can’t help think this will have played into our hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 11:54, RS said: The fact can’t be lost on Masters that he’s tried to do the big 6 a favour by wrecking our takeover and they’ve absolutely pissed on his cornflakes in return. If it was me I’d have waved the deal through as soon as the super league shite came out. Can’t help think this will have played into our hands. Expand Me too, surely this can’t be stopped now ? That said no doubt we’d have been right on the gravy train . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 As someone else mentioned before, just sell the club now and fuck what the ODT says. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 On 21/04/2021 at 11:54, RS said: If it was me I’d have waved the deal through as soon as the super league shite came out. Expand I would have loved that but its an emotional, petty response that could bite them in the arse at a later date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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