AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Can we talk about lovely Eddie Howe please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Can we talk about lovely Eddie Howe please? Eddie Howe is a much better manager than Gareth Southgate, is that alright ? ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 We started the month in 17th - wins over Everton, Villa and Brentford and a draw at West Ham. Liverpool started the month in 2nd - wins over Norwich, Burnley, Leeds and Leicester. It'll be scandalous if Eddie doesn't get it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Regarding the Southgate patter, I think I've mentioned before that he's one of those whose more or less a perfect fit for his current job. Managers just fit certain clubs or jobs, Southgate and England, Klopp and Liverpool, Allegri and Juventus, et cetera. I think atm, Howe is seeming the perfect fit for us right now; his philosophy, work ethic, the way he speaks about the club and fans and seems a man of integrity. Southgate I feel wouldn't work back in club management, the England lads seem to really like him and in 2 tournaments under him we've reach the semi final and a final which is lightyears from Hodgson, Capello and all of his predecessors back to SBR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said: It's funny how with some people Southgate only ever gets the criticism for not winning the tournament and not the credit for getting there in the first place. You'd think England were regularly getting to semis and finals before he came along, or that we'd got to semis and finals in spite of Southgate wouldn't you? That's not even to say that he doesn't have his weaknesses, because he obviously does, but people seem to want to have it both ways - embracing his failures and rejecting his successes. Please explain why we finished 5th under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Manxst said: Van Gaal, Flick, Mancini (Deschamps?) are all better than Gareth, imo. edit- Luis Enrique too. Deschamps is fucking horrendous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, HUGZ said: I do kind of understand this viewpoint. we've got an unbelievable squad, and any half-decent manager could probably get a tune out of them. He got schooled in the final, but there's a lot more to being an England manager than what happens on the pitch, and he does everything else brilliantly. so he gets a bit of a pass, for me. wouldn't want him anywhere near us, like. he'd get eaten alive in the Prem. Have to agree with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Please explain why we finished 5th under Pardew. You're suggesting that a success record of 2 in 2 (a World Cup semi final, and a Euro final) is comparable to a success record of 1 in 4 for us and about 2 in 13 overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Tbh I'm more concerned about Eddie Howe being poached for a bigger job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 He's not going anywhere lol 1. He has the complete backing of the richest owners in world football who explicitly want to back him to build a title winning side in the long term 2. He's had a good few months. There is still the possibility it all goes to to shit and we go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I mean imagine being Eddie Howe, a few months ago he was out of work and not necessarily fancied to get a job soon. Now he is setting up transfer targets and plans without money being a worry. Jesus christ must feel the luckiest man on the planet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 5 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said: Regarding the Southgate patter, I think I've mentioned before that he's one of those whose more or less a perfect fit for his current job. Managers just fit certain clubs or jobs, Southgate and England, Klopp and Liverpool, Allegri and Juventus, et cetera. I think atm, Howe is seeming the perfect fit for us right now; his philosophy, work ethic, the way he speaks about the club and fans and seems a man of integrity. Southgate I feel wouldn't work back in club management, the England lads seem to really like him and in 2 tournaments under him we've reach the semi final and a final which is lightyears from Hodgson, Capello and all of his predecessors back to SBR. Yeah, if I was moving Southgate anywhere it would be upstairs into a technical role with England. I think a case study of his time with the U21s is a good explainer on where he thrives and struggles. He helped establish a good culture there, ushered in some very promising talent, but tactically he was lacking. Dare I say it's something similar with the senior side. He's not a terrible coach per-se, but he does struggle in those finer detail moments when it comes to game management and the like. Even our run to the Euros wasn't that scintillating. I think he's a bit timid when the pressure is on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) Has to be said there are problems with southgate, but it is also a very good evidence of just clear headed thinking on what the team should be, developing a good ethos and team spirit and not letting noise keep swapping round the team or keep trying new formations/new players demanded by media get in teh way of the focus. His in game management is still a bit dubious but I am guilty of being furious at Sterling being kept on despite slump in club form and then he goes on to be one of the best performers. Edited March 3, 2022 by Tiresias Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Conjo said: I don't know much about Flick, but can you really say any ot the others are world class? Van Gaal and Mancini only went into international management again after failing at club level. Deschamps did well at Monaco, but did nothing spectacular at Juve with a superior team in lower leagues. He failed at Marseille. Enrique failed at Roma but got results with the best team in the world. They may be better than Southgate, but I wouldn't consider them a class above him. You wouldn’t consider Roberto Mancini a class above Gareth Southgate? Are you on drugs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Nominated? What is this like bidding to host the World Cup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I like Southgate, clean cut, no frills, gets on with the job. After two good runs in the last two tournaments he deserves to keep going until it stops working. However, I hope he doesn't think he's the finished article and keeps trying to learn from his mistakes, he was outclassed and blindsided by a simple tactical change, I would hope he's looking to improve that side of his management going into the world cup. As for Howe, he really was the perfect pick, he understands the club, the fans and has clearly learned a lot since his time at Bournemouth. It's still early days of course but the signs are there, club, manager, players and supporters all pulling in the same direction and he's personified the takeover, kept a cool head in the wake of Bruce and undone a lot of damage in a short period of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Mad if Howe doesn’t win so fully expect him not too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Is it just a public vote? Fairly random if so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco said: Mad if Howe doesn’t win so fully expect him not too. Ralph's had some corking results tbf. Didn't realise these things were public votes tbh. Renders it a bit pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Yorkie said: Ralph's has some corking results tbf. Didn't realise these things were public votes tbh. Renders it a bit pointless. Me either. Aye, he’d be a fair winner too but Big Eddie deserves it more as I’m full of bias and it might actually force the pro Bruce press to recognise he’s done a good job which is absolutely verboten it would appear at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 If we end up finishing in mid-table, the £92million will ensure that the praise isn't heaped on him to the extent it should be; despite Wood being a clear downgrade on Wilson, Bruno not featuring in this 'turning period' and Trippier only playing five games. Not that we didn't recruit well; we did, and they gave the place a huge lift, but the work on the training ground has been just as influential if not moreso. The notion of a team featuring Krafth, Schar, Shelvey, Willock, Joelinton, Murphy and Fraser (plus not featuring ASM and Wilson) winning 2-0 on the road was absolutely laughable three months ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Yorkie said: Ralph's had some corking results tbf. Didn't realise these things were public votes tbh. Renders it a bit pointless. Ralph as in Rangnick......corking results ? Really ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 30 minutes ago, madras said: Ralph as in Rangnick......corking results ? Really ? Hasenhüttl Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Yorkie said: If we end up finishing in mid-table, the £92million will ensure that the praise isn't heaped on him to the extent it should be; despite Wood being a clear downgrade on Wilson, Bruno not featuring in this 'turning period' and Trippier only playing five games. Not that we didn't recruit well; we did, and they gave the place a huge lift, but the work on the training ground has been just as influential if not moreso. The notion of a team featuring Krafth, Schar, Shelvey, Willock, Joelinton, Murphy and Fraser (plus not featuring ASM and Wilson) winning 2-0 on the road was absolutely laughable three months ago. I think you got all that right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Yorkie said: Ralph's had some corking results tbf. Didn't realise these things were public votes tbh. Renders it a bit pointless. Give me a faceless decision maker and a small piece to camera on MOTD of them accepting the award. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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