Froggy Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Clockwork Cheese said: Just Lingard needs to force his way out, but I think he'd prefer to just collect his money and expect a club like us to match his wages to get him out. Seriously? He's been a part of this club since he was 7 years old. He isn't the sort to be a dickhead and force a move away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Froggy said: Seriously? He's been a part of this club since he was 7 years old. He isn't the sort to be a dickhead and force a move away. 'force a move out' doesn't have to mean being a dick about it... Can make it clear that he wants a move out, put a transfer request in etc. etc. Theres obviously a right way to go about things, wasn't suggesting he be an arsehole over it all. We see players engineer moves out of clubs all the time, you're not telling me that if Lingard wanted to spend this season playing he couldn't have left Man United in the summer, or even at the start of this window? Why the hell would Man United stand in the way of a 6th choice attacking midfielder leave the club - especially when he's entering his final year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Shadow Puppets said: It's Craig Hope. He's probably the best in the North East for accuracy. Lingard's personal feelings towards Manchester United are nothing to do with the North East. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: 'force a move out' doesn't have to mean being a dick about it... Can make it clear that he wants a move out, put a transfer request in etc. etc. Theres obviously a right way to go about things, wasn't suggesting he be an arsehole over it all. We see players engineer moves out of clubs all the time, you're not telling me that if Lingard wanted to spend this season playing he couldn't have left Man United in the summer, or even at the start of this window? Why the hell would Man United stand in the way of a 6th choice attacking midfielder leave the club - especially when he's entering his final year. We wouldn't stand in his way, just as he wouldn't force anything. There's a lot of mutual respect there. I don't think it has been handled badly by anyone. I still think he'll be gone soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Froggy said: We wouldn't stand in his way, just as he wouldn't force anything. There's a lot of mutual respect there. I don't think it has been handled badly by anyone. I still think he'll be gone soon. I think hell leave this window either to us or West Ham. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, Froggy said: We wouldn't stand in his way, just as he wouldn't force anything. There's a lot of mutual respect there. I don't think it has been handled badly by anyone. I still think he'll be gone soon. Can appreciate that, but can imagine he would have been told between the lines he could have gone in the summer if he wanted. I'm questioning the fact that he hasn't left Man United, and has allowed himself to sit on the bench all season despite finishing last season in cracking form. Dan James made the professional decision to move on despite being under contract knowing he wouldn't play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Dan James was sold because Leeds offered us £25m for a £10m player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Cheese Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 £10M player that was brought from a Championship club, and went in ahead of Lingard for playing time 19/20, then ahead of him 20/21 to the fact JL had to go out on loan to get a game. My point is that I think Lingard doesn't really give that much of a shit about playing, trying to get back into the England squad, and headlines about him being Angry is total nonsense. Simple and short of it is that if he wanted to play and carry on the momentum in his career he earned at West Ham he would have left Man U in the summer. To me it's damning of him that he was happy to stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I still think we'll get him, just not with a 12 million survival bonus. It'll probably go to the wire on deadline day. Strange as it may seem, this could work to our advantage, because if the other players (Bruno etc.) sign before we finalize with Lingard, we can offer all kinds of relegation clauses in the knowledge that they won't be activated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) I'd personally let this lie now, and wait. If there's no interest by deadline, they'll be ringing us asking us to take him. (Probably at a cheaper offer) its stupid from them otherwise. They're just trying it on. Edited January 27, 2022 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hhtoon Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: £10M player that was brought from a Championship club, and went in ahead of Lingard for playing time 19/20, then ahead of him 20/21 to the fact JL had to go out on loan to get a game. My point is that I think Lingard doesn't really give that much of a shit about playing, trying to get back into the England squad, and headlines about him being Angry is total nonsense. Simple and short of it is that if he wanted to play and carry on the momentum in his career he earned at West Ham he would have left Man U in the summer. To me it's damning of him that he was happy to stay. Maybe, doesn't mean he isn't far superior to anything we have at the moment and could make a difference. Utd having a laugh with us though...they don't give a shit about a few £m and us relegated will set us back a few years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 35 minutes ago, Clockwork Cheese said: No faith in him that he really wants to be playing football tbh... His situation with Man United won't be anything new to him, would have been made clear what it was going to cost him in the summer to get a move out - whether forgoing a chunk of his final year contract, or kicking up a stink and transfer requesting. In a summer where Ronaldo and Sancho are signed, where you're about 6th choice off the bench as is, it was bloody obvious your never playing. If he wanted his move to West Ham badly enough he would have put in transfer request and forced a move out, would have cost him his end. End of the day, Man United aren't going to stand in the way of a 29year that's nowhere near starting XI leaving the club. Opportunity would have been there for him to leave in the summer to West Ham, and probably had offers elsewhere too. Lingard needs to force his way out, but I think he'd prefer to just collect his money and expect a club like us to match his wages to get him out. Ronaldo transfer came out of the blue. If not for Ronaldo signing, Lingard gets decent minutes. Rashford missed the early season too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OoOGazOoO Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 £12m survival clause Havin' a laugh! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 So a £3m loan fee, £12m survival bonus and £1.6m on wages?! I think we'll get him late on Monday personally! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papavasiliou Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Man U fans on twitter all laughing themselves into a coma repeating the same joke about this being payback for us asking for £50mil for Longstaff when they offered £20mil or something. Only they could be bitter about not getting ripped off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 CHEER UP ALAN SHEARER!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) I saw all that bollocks last night but the logic doesn’t work. At the time Rafa didn’t want to sell so (if true) we quoted a ridiculous fee, Lingard leaves for free whether they like it or not in 5 months. Edited January 27, 2022 by geordie_b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Man u fans now : Man u fans in summer: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixx Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Couldn't care less about him if Bruno arrives. Would have preferred van de Beek put he seems shy of a challenge. Not what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I'd perhaps pay Man U the alleged £2.5m plus £12.5m survival bonus for Lingard if it was a straight transfer, but not if he can just fuck off to West Ham after 6 months. That's crazy talk. They have every right to ask it, of course. But no way on earth should we be doing anything other than laughing at them and hanging up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 We should agree and sign him then get relegated on purpose. That'll teach them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, 54 said: They have seen the future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, 54 said: He could sign permanently then and a deal is probably there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Just now, morpeth mag said: He could sign permanently then and a deal is probably there I still think that could happen and we give him a relegation clause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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