Now That's What I Call Transfer Rumours! 7

[The Prophet]

4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Imo this is a stupid argument. You pay footballers to play football.   A player missing 90 games is a much bigger problem than a player missing 50 games. 
 

Tierney has managed 30 league appearances once in his entire career. ASM has done so in 4 seasons. 
 

 

But now we have all the facts out there,   Let’s agree to disagree. 

 

 

 

 

Surely it depends on the amount and nature of injuries too? 

 

Tierney has had a series of surgeries on his ankle, knee and groin, but keeps getting injured. It's a massive red flag. 

[Manxst]

7 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Imo this is a stupid argument. You pay footballers to play football.   A player missing 90 games is a much bigger problem than a player missing 50 games. 
 

Tierney has managed 30 league appearances once in his entire career. ASM has done so in 4 seasons. 
 

 

But now we have all the facts out there,   Let’s agree to disagree. 

 

 

 

Don’t want to argue here at all, but playing for a team like Arsenal who are in Europe every season and progress every year in domestic cups etc- you’re bound to miss more games when injured in the same time period compared to someone who has been playing for a team like us (no Europe, don’t even want to progress in cups etc) in the last few years, which is why it’s better to look at days missed through injury rather than games, imo. But yeah- we’ve both made our position clear. 

[Matt1892]

Surely one of the benefits of selling ASM is that it would offer us some relief in regards to financial fair play, as we could book down the majority of the fee we got for him next season while incoming transfers would be spread over their contract.

 

I’m presuming a straight swap would negate that benefit.

 

Taking on board TCD made about appearances it would be better to try and get Tierney on loan with an obligation to buy if he plays a certain amount of games, at least that way it will give us some confidence in his fitness.

[Ikon]

Don't want any crocks.

[Yorkie]

Broadly speaking I'm pretty settled in the 'replace Maxi' camp but I'd rather just go on the tedious ride all over again next season than sell him to a direct rival. On balance I don't think he'll ever fulfil his massive potential, but it's too great a risk to us that someone like Arsenal or Spurs might cure whatever fundamental fitness issue he's got, and suddenly have an asset which could directly contribute to our own downfall. If a mid-table side or (especially) someone abroad came in with a decent offer then crack on. 

[Zero]

The only circumstance that I would sell ASM is a swap deal for Leao

[Rafalove]

I love Maxi but we need players that can actually stay fit

[Kanj]

If I’m selling Maxi, it’s to a team abroad. No way would I let him go to a PL club. 
 

I don’t want to sell him but I’m really only for it if we can find a younger less injured version of him out there somewhere. 

[UpTheToon]

2 hours ago, Rafalove said:

Aye next season. Can’t believe how many times this has been said.

 

Doesn't that give an incentive to Southampton to sell him this summer for more (if the demand is there)?

[arnonel]

On 10/01/2023 at 15:04, arnonel said:

Kang-In Lee continues to be linked

 

Really like this guy. Skillful dribbler. Leads chance creation in La Liga

Still really liking this guy

 

Been linked a few times. So good to watch

 

[Kid Icarus]

With ASM I'm willing to defer his make-or-break season to 23/24. 

[Emotic]

1 hour ago, arnonel said:

Still really liking this guy

 

Been linked a few times. So good to watch

 

Our knock-on revenue from Korean market visibility will also help FFP accounting. I'm all in!

[arnonel]

10 minutes ago, Emotic said:

Our knock-on revenue from Korean market visibility will also help FFP accounting. I'm all in!

In that case, lets add Takefusa Kubo to the list. Could tap in to Japanese market too 

[Emotic]

12 minutes ago, arnonel said:

In that case, lets add Takefusa Kubo to the list. Could tap in to Japanese market too 

Let's just get PIF to buy Real Sociedad as our feeder club if we're going to hoover up their best young imports year-on-year 

[rebelrouser]

4 hours ago, simonsays said:

If we go for a more attacking left back then i think we will need to adapt the way we play and start using a dm. Currently Dan Burn creates a third centre back when trippier goes firward.  If both full backs are bombing on we will need to have a centrail.midfielder who is happy to drop between the centre backs.  Even if we dont play like this all of the time it is a good option to have.

Adrien Truffert and Manuel Ugarte would do. 

[Cronky]

I’ve had long standing doubts about ASM’s commitment to the side. He has obvious strengths but weaknesses as well. 
 

My impression is that he’s the only player we have that would fetch a fair bit of money but who we may also be willing to sell. If we are looking to raise funds with an eye to ffp, he’s the glaringly obvious choice.

[RodneyCisse]

49 minutes ago, Cronky said:

I’ve had long standing doubts about ASM’s commitment to the side. He has obvious strengths but weaknesses as well. 
 

My impression is that he’s the only player we have that would fetch a fair bit of money but who we may also be willing to sell. If we are looking to raise funds with an eye to ffp, he’s the glaringly obvious choice.

He may unfortunately be the lamb to the slaughter but I think with the amount of games we’ll play next season he could be a major factor in our champs league campaign.

[Stottie]

On a hypothetical level, wouldn't Almiron fetch a fair bit if sold?

 

Based on age, skillset and likely effectiveness in the future when we no longer have Trippier at RB, I think you can make a case for upgrading sooner while he would still command a healthy fee. Everyone seems dead set on us signing a new RW anyway.

[Matt1892]

4 minutes ago, Stottie said:

On a hypothetical level, wouldn't Almiron fetch a fair bit if sold?

 

Based on age, skillset and likely effectiveness in the future when we no longer have Trippier at RB, I think you can make a case for upgrading sooner while he would still command a healthy fee. Everyone seems dead set on us signing a new RW anyway.

After the season we have had there will be quite a few in the squad whose values have increased.

 

I don’t think the club will actively look to move people on but if decent offers came in for ASM, Almiron or Wilson I think the club would be open to the deal.

[Chris_R]

Be crazy to sell ASM or Almiron without very decent replacements lined up.

 

We only have competent 4 wingers now, and next season we'll have far more games to play. If anything we're already short there, not blessed with extra we can get rid of.

[Smal]

Despite not playing much this season, ASM has improved massively. He's always been a good dribbler but now he is more complete. Some numbers for how he stacks up against the rest of the league's attacking mids & wingers this season (min. 10 90s):

 

Assists per 90: 0.45 - second only to KdB

Shot creating actions per 90: 4.87 - 6th behind only KdB, Bruno F, Mahrez, Maddison and Odegaard

Goal creating actions per 90: 0.81 - 5th behind only KdB, Mahrez, Grealish and Foden. Level with Saka. 

Key passes per 90: 2.26 - 5th only behind KdB, Bruno F, Maddison and Mahrez

 

Successful take-ons per 90: 7.40 - top by miles

Progressive carries per 90: 6.58 - top

Prog carrying distance per 90: 181.08 - top and only Grealish gets anywhere near

Carries into pen area per 90: 2.97 - behind only Mitoma

 

I can't believe people are constantly banging on about selling him. Work on his fitness and he will win us things. 

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, Smal said:

Despite not playing much this season, ASM has improved massively. He's always been a good dribbler but now he is more complete. Some numbers for how he stacks up against the rest of the league's attacking mids & wingers this season (min. 10 90s):

 

Assists per 90: 0.45 - second only to KdB

Shot creating actions per 90: 4.87 - 6th behind only KdB, Bruno F, Mahrez, Maddison and Odegaard

Goal creating actions per 90: 0.81 - 5th behind only KdB, Mahrez, Grealish and Foden. Level with Saka. 

Key passes per 90: 2.26 - 5th only behind KdB, Bruno F, Maddison and Mahrez

 

Successful take-ons per 90: 7.40 - top by miles

Progressive carries per 90: 6.58 - top

Prog carrying distance per 90: 181.08 - top and only Grealish gets anywhere near

Carries into pen area per 90: 2.97 - behind only Mitoma

 

I can't believe people are constantly banging on about selling him. Work on his fitness and he will win us things. 

 

 

THAT'S the reason people bang on about selling him.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

 

 

THAT'S the reason people bang on about selling him.

 

Aye. If there was no doubt about ASM's body being up to the way that Howe wants him to play, there'd be no discussion. He could go to a counter-attacking side, easier on the body and play 30 plus league games I've no doubt, it's in the system we play where we need answers and if he can't do it, it's an asset we can sell to buy a player who can do it. 

[KingArthur]

I think all of our wingers will be sold (edit. could be sold) with the right offer. Murphy most likely will not have such a good season again next year, but he is cheap. Almiron or ASM would bring some cash in.

 

I would want to see the back of Hendrick, Lascelles, Ritchie, Dummett, Lewis, Fraser and Dubravka though this summer.

 

 

Edited May 2, 2023 by KingArthur

[STM]

Is it just me that feels that it's obvious ASM will be sold in the summer? 

 

I don't think there's any issue between Howe and ASM, I just think that the chemistry isn't correct.

 

He's not a Howe "type".

He's got fitness issues.

He spends half his life in France (compare that to when Trippier broke his foot).

He's had a number of minor infractions around the training ground (being late, where he parked his car etc).

He openly criticised his teammates (Wood) to the press and while he was spot on, Howe won't like it.

He apparently wants a new contract, which will force the issue.

 

I think ASMs a joy to watch and I think Howe likes him, but given what I've written above, if we get anything like and acceptable offer for him, he's gone. I don't even see the debate.