Scott McTominay

[Deuce]

1 hour ago, Viana said:

Because it’s like winning the lottery and buying a car off gumtree.

Too much FIFA brain around here imo. 

[Viana]

1 hour ago, Deuce said:

Too much FIFA brain around here imo. 

I mean, I’m open to hearing your case for him, but I’m happy to illustrate why I’m not interested in him. 
 

- he’s 26 years old, so I wouldn’t consider him a project player. You’ll improve his form but I debate if you’ll improve his quality. 
- we’re discussing a 31m bid to a direct rival for a player that right now would be Sean Longstaff’s backup.

- he’s older than longstaff by a year. 

- I’m unconvinced he could be a versatile midfielder like Longstaff because his passing range and technical skills aren’t strong enough (I wouldn’t say Sean’s passing is great either fwiw).
- if we’re discussing midfield we have greater priorities than him.

 

[Ben]

In Howe and his transfer team we trust

[Jaqen]

3 hours ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

So much hatred for a player we have not even bid for.

 

Botman aside I can't remember us chasing and signing someone that the press knew about. 

 

Most of our transfers have been done in relatively short, quick time.

 

And it's not like Man U are going to been keen sellers to us even if it was true... Just look at the whole Jessie Lingard situation 

 

Lingard situation was pretty obvious that they were hoping we'd go down and didn't want to help us in anyway stay up. 

 

With McTominay they'd probably rather we bought him than a potentially much better alternative. 

 

I get the point about how Howe has transformed our current players but it's going to be a boring and long summer on here if that argument is used anytime someone says they aren't impressed by a potential target. If McTominay was on our books already then fair enough, but it's reasonable that folk don't want to spend £30m+ or whatever in a 26 year old who has never really looked like a top 4 player. Ideally you want Longstaff to be the cover for a better player not spending a decent wedge on cover for him. 

[KaKa]

6 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Because there is fuck all actual indication that he's even interested in that player, especially when it originally came from bald cunt Edwards. A better player than our current midfield, I don't think so. 

 

A lot of you still don't get it.

 

I guarantee you will not find one post pushing for us to sign him on here or proclaiming that he would be a great signing.

 

Now none of us know for certain that we are interested, but most of the discussions have been based on the possibility that we are because the rumour keeps coming up. 

 

If this is indeed the case that Howe wants him, then based on the job he has done, and with even lesser players, he should absolutely be allowed to get the players he wants, regardless of how certain you all are that he is shit and as one 'analyst' on here proclaimed, is worse than League 1 midfielders.

[KaKa]

7 hours ago, Sufi said:

I'm genuinely perplexed as to why this is even a topic to discuss. I cant see us going for him. We have Longstaff who's probably a slightly poorer man's version of him. Maybe I'm missing something here. Are there people who actually want us to sign him? For what purpose?

 

Well sort of, yes, and the purpose would be that if the manager wants him then he should be signed.

 

Everyone is so certain that he is this awful player that will always look awful regardless of the manager he plays for, or the role he has in the team. Football just doesn't work that way though.

 

A lot of people on here rated Richarlison and Bissouma highly last summer, and thought Spurs had done a great job getting them both for just under £100 million. How is that looking now though? They were awful fits for Conte and whatever he was doing at Spurs. It's all relative.

 

Another thing, Howe seems to like British players, this seemingly really annoys a lot of people on here I've noticed, even though so many of you are British! Howe seems to get the best out of them though, and feels they are well suited to his aggressive, high tempo pressing style. I understand the thinking.

 

Howe seems very certain of himself and what he is doing. I want to see him backed, even if the players brought in might not 'seem' to make as much sense to us initially.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by KaKa

[Sufi]

Thats fair. If Howe does indeed want him then I'm cool with it. 

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Well sort of, yes, and the purpose would be that if the manager wants him then he should be signed.

 

Everyone is so certain that he is this awful player that will always look awful regardless of the manager he plays, or the role he has in the team. Football just doesn't work that way though.

 

A lot of people on here rated Richarlison and Bissouma highly last summer, and thought Spurs had done a great job getting them both for just under £100 million. How is that looking now though? They were awful fits for Conte and whatever he was doing at Spurs. It's all relative.

 

Another thing, Howe seems to like British players, this seemingly really annoys a lot of people on here I've noticed, even though so many of you are British! Howe seems to get the best out of them though, and feels they are well suited to his aggressive, high tempo pressing style. I understand the thinking.

 

Howe seems very certain of himself and what he is doing. I want to see him backed, even if the players brought in might not 'seem' to make as much sense to us initially.

Will address some of these points from my POV. 

 

The recruitment team should work together to buy players which I’m sure they are, everyone will of course naturally have an input and a preference. 
 

I think the main point I have is he hasn’t pulled up any trees at Manchester United and his stats are poor, when we played them I thought he was pretty rubbing apart from 1 run he made. Also the wider point is we can and should be aiming higher and better and personally I have an aversion to signing players from Manchester United given our previous deals with them. 
 

I’m all for us signing British players personally provided they improve us which I don’t think Mctominay does. Now I have no doubt Eddie will get a tune out of him my preference would be for us to sign players who have more potential and we go could become elite. (Think Bruno. isak and Botman). 

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Will address some of these points from my POV. 

 

The recruitment team should work together to buy players which I’m sure they are, everyone will of course naturally have an input and a preference. 
 

I think the main point I have is he hasn’t pulled up any trees at Manchester United and his stats are poor, when we played them I thought he was pretty rubbing apart from 1 run he made. Also the wider point is we can and should be aiming higher and better and personally I have an aversion to signing players from Manchester United given our previous deals with them. 
 

I’m all for us signing British players personally provided they improve us which I don’t think Mctominay does. Now I have no doubt Eddie will get a tune out of him my preference would be for us to sign players who have more potential and we go could become elite. (Think Bruno. isak and Botman). 

 

The way Howe operates, with the detail he goes into, I have no doubt that any signings would be discussed with the recruitment team and opinions would be shared, but at the end of the day he has final say.

 

Ultimately, if he does want him, it will be for a specific reason, and there is something that he will want the player to add to the team. We can talk all we want about his stats at Man Utd, and what he did there, but we aren't Man United, and the managers he played for there are very different to Howe and his system and approach.

 

Some might not think McTominay improves us, but after seeing what the likes of Pope, Burn, Longstaff, Murphy, Joelinton, Almiron and Willock have produced this season, I just find it hard to just accept that.

 

We live in the age of the reign of Man City, and their ultra heavy possession and supreme technical quality, and a lot of people just want us to be a version of that, but that's not what the manager we have is about. Howe is legit in his own right though, just in a different way.

 

I think maybe I'm just really high on Howe and what he is doing. I think he is an exceptional manager.

[Mahoneys Tache]

Fucking stats man. The demise of football. Eddie Van Halen was better than Angus Young because he played more notes a second. 
yeah but AC/DC sold more records than Van Halen. 
yeah but Angus was only any good because Malcolm wrote the songs and they played defensive midfield riffs. 
 

blah blah blah. 
 

Stats my arse. Allardyce is all about the stats. 
 

I bet Tino’s stats were shit. 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Mahoneys Tache

[et tu brute]

35 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

A lot of you still don't get it.

 

I guarantee you will not find one post pushing for us to sign him on here or proclaiming that he would be a great signing.

 

Now none of us know for certain that we are interested, but most of the discussions have been based on the possibility that we are because the rumour keeps coming up. 

 

If this is indeed the case that Howe wants him, then based on the job he has done, and with even lesser players, he should absolutely be allowed to get the players he wants, regardless of how certain you all are that he is shit and as one 'analyst' on here proclaimed, is worse than League 1 midfielders.

If he signs then the question can be asked. I'm pretty confident he won't be as I don't take any notice of the likes of Edwards or Man Utd twitter sources. 

[Unbelievable]

27 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

The way Howe operates, with the detail he goes into, I have no doubt that any signings would be discussed with the recruitment team and opinions would be shared, but at the end of the day he has final say.

 

Ultimately, if he does want him, it will be for a specific reason, and there is something that he will want the player to add to the team. We can talk all we want about his stats at Man Utd, and what he did there, but we aren't Man United, and the managers he played for there are very different to Howe and his system and approach.

 

Some might not think McTominay improves us, but after seeing what the likes of Pope, Burn, Longstaff, Murphy, Joelinton, Almiron and Willock have produced this season, I just find it hard to just accept that.

 

We live in the age of the reign of Man City, and their ultra heavy possession and supreme technical quality, and a lot of people just want us to be a version of that, but that's not what the manager we have is about. Howe is legit in his own right though, just in a different way.

 

I think maybe I'm just really high on Howe and what he is doing. I think he is an exceptional manager.

I mostly avoid this thread as I don’t like spending time contemplating seeing McTominay in black and white, but I have to ask: what is the assumption that Howe is massively keen on him based on? Has Eddie ever come out and said as much?

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

I mostly avoid this thread as I don’t like spending time contemplating seeing McTominay in black and white, but I have to ask: what is the assumption that Howe is massively keen on him based on? Has Eddie ever come out and said as much?

I think the assumption comes from his perceived preference for British players combined with the fact he’s not really of a profile which makes much sense (27 in December, well paid and unlikely to appreciate in value (in terms of if we need to move him on). 

[Skeletor]

6 minutes ago, Unbelievable said:

I mostly avoid this thread as I don’t like spending time contemplating seeing McTominay in black and white, but I have to ask: what is the assumption that Howe is massively keen on him based on? Has Eddie ever come out and said as much?

 

There isn't any evidence he rates McTominay. It's all just twitter bullshit. This thread shouldn't even exist.

[Abacus]

Just a throwaway line in the Times today, by Paul Hirst (their north west correspondent), saying that Man U need to clear out fringe players to help with their rebuild.

 

When discussing which of those would attract a fee to help them comply with FFP, it says "Dean Henderson, who is of interest to Nottingham Forest...is one of them, as is Scott McTominay, a target for Newcastle United."

 

May be nothing, but there's too much noise for me to think there's nothing in it. It just makes me want him even less, as it's helping a rival to buy better players.

 

 

[Manxst]

30 minutes ago, Abacus said:

Just a throwaway line in the Times today, by Paul Hirst (their north west correspondent), saying that Man U need to clear out fringe players to help with their rebuild.

 

 

He’s played 23 PL games this season and 37 this season in total. Bit more than a fringe player, I’d have thought? Suggests he’d go for more than the fictitious £20m quoted also. 

[Skeletor]

Can understand Man Utd wanting him off the books, but even Froggy has said he isn't good enough for a CL team (the other Man Utd fan disappeared sharply after his lies about McTominay were exposed in the game at SJP). I think he will end up at West Ham or somewhere on that level, which will be a decent move for all parties. We make too much of Howe getting the best out of poor players as though we always have to sign poor players. Those poor players he's getting the best out of are a hangover from the Ashley era which is dying piece by piece. Give Howe some great players and let him work his wonders on them.

 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by Skeletor

[Froggy]

25 minutes ago, Manxst said:

He’s played 23 PL games this season and 37 this season in total. Bit more than a fringe player, I’d have thought? Suggests he’d go for more than the fictitious £20m quoted also. 

 

Eriksen missed 3 months due to injury and Casemiro missed 8 games due to suspension. That will have increased his game time. 

[Kimbo]

I would expect McTominay to cost £30m and be on over 100k a week.

[RobsonsWonderland]

Why are we so convinced this guy is even coming? 

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, RobsonsWonderland said:

Why are we so convinced this guy is even coming? 

2 Manchester Journos have said we are interested and it was obviously widely speculated in January. 

[Manxst]

4 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Eriksen missed 3 months due to injury and Casemiro missed 8 games due to suspension. That will have increased his game time. 

You’ll need him for the locally trained CL registration rules though? Need 4 locally trained and 4 association trained in a 25 man squad I think? 
 

(I hope)

[TheDarkKnight]

32 minutes ago, Skeletor said:

Can understand Man Utd wanting him off the books, but even Froggy has said he isn't good enough for a CL team (the other Man Utd fan disappeared sharply after his lies about McTominay were exposed in the game at SJP). I think he will end up at West Ham or somewhere on that level, which will be a decent move for all parties. We make too much of Howe getting the best out of poor players as though we always have to sign poor players. Those poor players he's getting the best out of are a hangover from the Ashley era which is dying piece by piece. Give Howe some great players and let him work his wonders on them.

 

 

 

 

Is that supposed to be me?

 

If so, what "lies" are you referring to?

 

I only disappeared because I'm busy.

 

But yeah, of course he is EPL class. He's played over 200 times for Manchester United.

 

 

 

Edited May 26, 2023 by TheDarkKnight

[gbandit]

Petition to change Skeletor’s name to the Joker so we can have a proper face off here 

[Abacus]

33 minutes ago, Manxst said:

He’s played 23 PL games this season and 37 this season in total. Bit more than a fringe player, I’d have thought? Suggests he’d go for more than the fictitious £20m quoted also. 

Ta - didn't realise he'd played that much, though may be partly due to injuries elsewhere as Froggy suggests. I guess fringe was a bad choice of words by me - but if the noises are right, he does seem disposable.