Aaron Ramsdale: return to Southampton confirmed

[RodneyCisse]

We’re not going to have a string of clean sheets with him starting but I think we all knew that from day one.

[Mountain]

6 hours ago, Gawalls said:

Never mentioned your or anyone's name  but a lot of people on here saying he's not good enough for us or I wouldn't be upset if he never plays for us again. Personally I just don't get that opinion on him. 

 

My opinion is when pope returns then games like that we'll get over the line and bring the three points home 

 

 

 

 

Pope is our best ever keeper of the modern era in my humble opinion. 

 

He does make the some howlers but he just saves stuff that other keepers wouldn't save.

 

It all builds up over time.

 

So to summerise, I agree.

 

 

[Guillaume]

He costs us more goals than Pope.

 

Need a new starting keeper next season.

[madras]

22 minutes ago, Mountain said:

 

Pope is our best ever keeper of the modern era in my humble opinion. 

 

He does make the some howlers but he just saves stuff that other keepers wouldn't save.

 

It all builds up over time.

 

So to summerise, I agree.

 

 

Krul and Given both say "get tae fuck"

[Ashley17]

The problem is there's a tangible way of calculating what he doesn't save (e.g. goals conceded) but there's not really a way of demonstrating how much better our general play is without Pope blazing it into the stands every few minutes.

[Kid Icarus]

54 minutes ago, madras said:

Krul and Given both say "get tae fuck"

It's a toss-up between Given's longevity and Pope's peak for me. No idea where Krul fits in.

[alexf]

I think that free kick should have been saved. Yes it hits the post and goes in but it's not hit with any serious power so there was time to get across and he was finger tips away but I said before he even hit it that Ramsdale was way to far over to one side and it was only ever going to be hit into that side. 

 

 

[Rod]

8 hours ago, RodneyCisse said:

We’re not going to have a string of clean sheets with him starting but I think we all knew that from day one.

He's terrible.

[Sibierski]

He’s done ok. I don’t want to sign him as our number one because of the perception he has (shoot and you will score), but happy to stick with him for rest of season to support with transition to this type of goalkeeper (building from the back).

 

On multiple occasions yesterday he fizzed a ball into either Burno or Wolte and it immediately took us from a defensive shape to attacking opposition defence, and that’s what we need to move towards next season. Ups and downs with it for rest of season, but that’s the blueprint.

 

Someone pointed it out earlier/elsewhere, that Ramsdale can be our Bravo for Man City. Where it’s a clear change in direction of travel from previous keeper, even if that previous keeper ( Hart / Pope) are not bad goalkeepers.

[Optimistic Nut]

If we're talking the Pope before this season, he'd start over Ramsdale. This season's Pope however, I think it's 6 and two 3s, so would stick with Ramsdale until the summer where we look for an upgrade. 

 

Putting Pope back in, its back to square one for the way we try to build out from the back. At least with Ramsdale we can get used to playing out that way, and carry it on next season with the upgrade, rather than starting from scratch. 

[Pablo]

I know teams don’t chop and change goalkeepers, but there’s a genuine reason to do this based on our opposition. Some games favour a ball player and others favour an out right old school goalkeeper. Whatever happens we need a modern goalkeeper with outrageous ball playing goin forwards, to compete at the very top. They’re close to unicorns, so I wish the scouting team luck.

[Lush Vlad]

1 hour ago, Pablo said:

I know teams don’t chop and change goalkeepers, but there’s a genuine reason to do this based on our opposition. Some games favour a ball player and others favour an out right old school goalkeeper. Whatever happens we need a modern goalkeeper with outrageous ball playing goin forwards, to compete at the very top. They’re close to unicorns, so I wish the scouting team luck.

I thought this yesterday. As I’ve found some of Ramsdale’s keeping so far quite offensive TBH  but his distribution was a huge positive for us and we wouldn’t have had such a dominant first half without him. 
 

They weren’t strong from set pieces either. So there wasn’t a worry there. 
 

For teams renowned for high pressing and ones that take risks defending man to man. Ramsdale is a big help. 
 

If we’re playing more of a brute force, set piece, mid to low block side. Then you’d rather have Pope in. 
 

Not that it would ever happen or that games always go to plan like that. 

[Irish Paul]

Thought he made it way too easy for Pedro on the second. It's a strange football cliche that keepers get credit for staying on their feet in 1-on-1 situations. I stay on my feet at 5-a-side as does everyone else there because it hurts to dive around on astro at our age. We only save it if the ball hits us on the shins. That's what Ramsdale was like in that instance, too upright. Pedro only had to slip it past him, not even into the corner. One of the least imposing keepers I've seen at this level.

 

We missed a trick in not snapping up Kelleher.

[Lush Vlad]

Ramsdale’s not been good. But Kelleher was never the answer. Glad we didn’t go for him. 

[Ilovetoon8788]

Ramsdale is a good keeper if we play on the front foot. His distribution is very good that sets up quick plays. 

 

But Howe is turning us into a Bruce still system where we sit In a low block and counter. This doesn't suit Ramsdale as we are constantly defending. 

[Chris_R]

20 minutes ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

Ramsdale is a good keeper if we play on the front foot

 

Ramsdale is a good keeper if the opposition don't have any shots on target.

[Mikky]

Let’s be honest - neither of our keepers are the standard we need - the position is long overdue an upgrade 

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Costa has 18 months left on his contract.

 

What sort of fee will he command in the summer?

[Lush Vlad]

50 minutes ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

But Howe is turning us into a Bruce still system where we sit In a low block and counter. This doesn't suit Ramsdale as we are constantly defending. 

   
 

Nuggets galore on this place of late. 

[SteV]

1 hour ago, Ilovetoon8788 said:

But Howe is turning us into a Bruce still system where we sit In a low block and counter. This doesn't suit Ramsdale as we are constantly defending. 

The only games where we’ve had the kind of low possession numbers that would in anyway back this theory up, would be:

 

Liverpool (h)

Barcelona (h)

Arsenal (h)

Man City (h)

and you can probably discount the Liverpool one due to the red card.

 

So basically versus three of the most elite teams in Europe.

[Gawalls]

5 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

If we're talking the Pope before this season, he'd start over Ramsdale. This season's Pope however, I think it's 6 and two 3s, so would stick with Ramsdale until the summer where we look for an upgrade. 

 

Putting Pope back in, its back to square one for the way we try to build out from the back. At least with Ramsdale we can get used to playing out that way, and carry it on next season with the upgrade, rather than starting from scratch. 

It is back to square one in building from the back but in all competitions it's 6 clean sheets in 12 against 1 in 10 so it's five steps forward in getting 1 - 0 victories 

[Optimistic Nut]

7 minutes ago, Gawalls said:

It is back to square one in building from the back but in all competitions it's 6 clean sheets in 12 against 1 in 10 so it's five steps forward in getting 1 - 0 victories 

 

There's been one 1-0 victory all season.

[Gawalls]

2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

 

There's been one 1-0 victory all season.

My point being if we have a keeper whose keeping one clean sheet every other game (6 in 12) as opposed to one every ten games (Ramsdale's for us in all games this season) then we stand a better chance. Also pope has kept over 40 clean sheets for us since signing with around 30% of them being one nil victorious. With Ramsdales record it would take around a decade to match that 40 clean sheets.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 hours ago, Pablo said:

I know teams don’t chop and change goalkeepers, but there’s a genuine reason to do this based on our opposition. Some games favour a ball player and others favour an out right old school goalkeeper. Whatever happens we need a modern goalkeeper with outrageous ball playing goin forwards, to compete at the very top. They’re close to unicorns, so I wish the scouting team luck.

I know what you mean but I’m not sure they should be that hard to find. I would’ve thought every modern academy is training them like that now. 

[Tsunami]

I’ve no real idea what Ramsdale was doing for the 2nd, playing statues perhaps? At least Pope would have been  15 yards outside his box as soon as Thiaw slipped……