Víctor Muñoz: going to Liverpool (various)

[STM]

I agree with the sentiment that we look naive as fuck. Given weve changed DoF, it's hard to see why that is.

 

Im hoping beyond all hope that this is the only blip of the summer. 

[r0cafella]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

We missed out on numerous targets during her time, to be fair. The PSR mess also unfolded on her watch. 

 

Don't get me wrong, she was a human face that was seemingly able to keep PIF engaged, but things weren't completely rosey while she was here.

Spot on, couldn't agree with this more. 

 

Obviously dealing with money isn't her strong suit if we are actually being honest. Some Greek had her company wound up over an unpaid debt. 

 

Amazing people person though.

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

With regards to Brighton and Villa they have different strategies to each other so it's difficult to compare. 

 

Re Villa if it was for PIF (amusingly) the project is basically where we are but worst bailing them out of Duran and the french kid who's name escape me basically saved them nobody in Europe pays those fees. 

 

Brighton are different, they are just way more savvy then we are unfortunately. They have a proper multi club set up so they can direct and nurture talent much more efficiently than us, on top of that they basically have zero expectations so if players go there and flop it doesn't really matter ripping off Chelsea will more than cover it. 

 

We obviously have our own strategy which he's flipped recently to this Brighton esque model but without the nouce, or the talent funnel and it's harder for us take risks as we actually have expectations. 

No coincidence they signed their winger 8th June

[STM]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

"Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks. They knew there was competition for him and that Liverpool were one of the clubs interested, but they had been told he wanted Newcastle. They were lied to. It is difficult to escape the view that they have, once again, been used to get a player a move elsewhere."

If this is true we need to be more aggresive and ruthless. It would explain why we thought we had time to negotiate hard with Osasuna and Real. 

 

Nobody is claiming that. The claims are Liverpool moved decisively late in the game. All of our major succesful signings had interest from others.

 

So you agree that our biggest mistake was wasting our time? I can concur with that. Lets move on.

[The College Dropout]

6 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

We do come across as very naive.

They knew Liverpol were in the picture - naive to think nothing could change on that front.

 

Once Iraola joined it was a wrap and I don't blame the club for the eventual outcome from that point. Prior to Iraola? Maybe a different story,

[Weezertron]

I don't mind the humiliation. Especially in the press. I hope the club is embarrassed and it lights a fire under their butts. 

[Parsley]

8 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

No coincidence they signed their winger 8th June

They've signed a development player. 

[Humility please]

14 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

I hire contractors frequently - speed is critical. If they stall - I keep interviewing and assessing the market.  If i think a deal will be made, I concentrate on getting it done and put other candidates on the back burner.  If I can’t even agree a ceiling rate with my company I’m losing. Powerful information and potential deals don’t get done. 

 

[KaKa]

46 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

Actually a really good article. Albeit a painful one to read.

 

Some real scumbaggery from Munoz and his team 

 

 

Everything was agreed: the fee with his club Osasuna, personal terms and agent fees. The player, his representatives and his family had all told Newcastle he wanted to sign for them and was going to do so.

 

Even as late as 6pm on Wednesday, his representatives were reassuring senior figures at Newcastle that Muñoz was heading to Tyneside. Four hours later he had agreed to sign for Liverpool.

 

It is embarrassing and frustrating in equal measure. There is, Telegraph Sport has been told, a sense of bewilderment at St James’ Park, as well as feelings of betrayal.

 

Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks. They knew there was competition for him and that Liverpool were one of the clubs interested, but they had been told he wanted Newcastle. They were lied to. It is difficult to escape the view that they have, once again, been used to get a player a move elsewhere.

[r0cafella]

3 minutes ago, Humility please said:

 

Been awhile since this classic strip has been posted

[SUPERTOON]

15 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

I don't mind the humiliation. Especially in the press. I hope the club is embarrassed and it lights a fire under their butts. 

Would have hoped it was lit, prior to this tbh.

[Mills and Boon]

Big fan of the Gove Pob cartoon. Not a fan of someone using an alt account to drop it on someone

[STM]

6 minutes ago, Humility please said:

 

 

Perfect.

[Robster]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Actually a really good article. Albeit a painful one to read.

 

Some real scumbaggery from Munoz and his team 

 

 

Everything was agreed: the fee with his club Osasuna, personal terms and agent fees. The player, his representatives and his family had all told Newcastle he wanted to sign for them and was going to do so.

 

Even as late as 6pm on Wednesday, his representatives were reassuring senior figures at Newcastle that Muñoz was heading to Tyneside. Four hours later he had agreed to sign for Liverpool.

 

It is embarrassing and frustrating in equal measure. There is, Telegraph Sport has been told, a sense of bewilderment at St James’ Park, as well as feelings of betrayal.

 

Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks. They knew there was competition for him and that Liverpool were one of the clubs interested, but they had been told he wanted Newcastle. They were lied to. It is difficult to escape the view that they have, once again, been used to get a player a move elsewhere.

 

Not sure it's that embarrassing that someone is being an absolute c*** to you. 
(assuming it's all true)
 

[TRon]

46 minutes ago, KetsbaiaIsBald said:

he's not wrong.  This summer is 1/3.  Brighton beat us.  Now Liverpool.  The 1 we got is a not set to be first choice for the team.  After last year it sucks.  It seems simply have reached our ceiling and can't compete further.  

 

 

Brighton is the bigger fail in reality. They showed it can be done, but you do really need everything lined up and then pull the trigger before it's too late. 

[Rosenrot]

8 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Actually a really good article. Albeit a painful one to read.

 

Some real scumbaggery from Munoz and his team 

 

 

Everything was agreed: the fee with his club Osasuna, personal terms and agent fees. The player, his representatives and his family had all told Newcastle he wanted to sign for them and was going to do so.

 

Even as late as 6pm on Wednesday, his representatives were reassuring senior figures at Newcastle that Muñoz was heading to Tyneside. Four hours later he had agreed to sign for Liverpool.

 

It is embarrassing and frustrating in equal measure. There is, Telegraph Sport has been told, a sense of bewilderment at St James’ Park, as well as feelings of betrayal.

 

Nobody seems to fully understand what happened and why. Newcastle had been working on the deal for weeks. They knew there was competition for him and that Liverpool were one of the clubs interested, but they had been told he wanted Newcastle. They were lied to. It is difficult to escape the view that they have, once again, been used to get a player a move elsewhere.

We should expect this to happen and act accordingly, i.e. not put all our eggs in one basket.

[Kid Icarus]

It's probably going to happen again, let's be honest. Too much evidence now to think that there'll be a sea change.

[Jackie Broon]

1 minute ago, Robster said:

 

Not sure it's that embarrassing that someone is being an absolute c*** to you. 
(assuming it's all true)
 

 

It kind of is if it keeps happening and the club's response is bemusement and not really changing anything... just like the bemusement at our inability to defend a lead.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Jackie Broon said:

 

It kind of is if it keeps happening and the club's response is bemusement and not really changing anything... just like the bemusement at our inability to defend a lead.

 

 

[TRon]

5 minutes ago, Rosenrot said:

We should expect this to happen and act accordingly, i.e. not put all our eggs in one basket.

 

 

We didn't though. We put a bid in for the kid that went to Brighton as well. 

[Mills and Boon]

8 minutes ago, Robster said:

 

Not sure it's that embarrassing that someone is being an absolute c*** to you. 
(assuming it's all true)
 

 

Absolutely fuck all we can do about that. Stitch the nut on his agent perhaps?

 

Anyone could pull a cunts trick at any time. We still need to go after players who will improve us so it'll leave us open to this type of thing in the future. Just got to understand it's not us, it's them

[Stuy_O]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It's probably going to happen again, let's be honest. Too much evidence now to think that there'll be a sea change.

my thoughts too, could well be a few more yet. We just have to hope that the ones we do land aren’t at the bottom of the list. 

[Rosenrot]

3 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

 

We didn't though. We put a bid in for the kid that went to Brighton as well. 

That was ages ago

[TRon]

Just now, Stuy_O said:

my thoughts too, could well be a few more yet. We just have to hope that the ones we do land aren’t at the bottom of the list. 

 

 

We can't do what we did last summer and just sign the 5th or 6th choice unless they are worth signing. I'd rather just write the season off than be lumbered with more unwanted turboshit. 

[gbandit]

Just now, Jackie Broon said:

 

It kind of is if it keeps happening and the club's response is bemusement and not really changing anything... just like the bemusement at our inability to defend a lead.

What do you think are realistic tools we could use to avoid this happening though?

 

We can’t control an agent or a player to the degree that they don’t look at other options. An agent will always leak things if they think there are other clubs that may be a better option for their player / more financially rewarding. We can try to move as quickly as possible and try play hardball on signing by certain dates but does anyone know how effective that is as a negotiation strategy with agents? We can offer more favourable terms if we know a player is at risk of going elsewhere but are we in a position to offer better terms than the cartel? No.

 

So then you are left with seeking out players who are riskier, earlier on in development, have had injuries etc

 

I’d be interested to hear people’s thoughts on this subject. I think @Minhosa talked about it earlier