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Probs not the best analogy but there's a few, on here, with mindsets that are reminiscent of some of my colleagues in the Fire Service when Management were throwing hideous changes to shifts etc etc. The gaffers would send out rumours of an extreme shift pattern, for eg, and we'd get lads (then) coughing up their own, slightly more palatable, versions of a shift pattern. 'course us FBU reps were saying "ram that shit right up ya arse. We'll fight for what we already have" Now I'm not naive enough to disregard PSR and it's implications but, for me, there's way too much of a "sell Tino" & "if anyone needs to go, sell Gordon" patter. Mind there's a few saying sell these guys because they don't rate them 🙄 which is worse, obviously.

The only other player I can think of with Prem experience, that offers similar traits as far as one on one defending, ball carrying, strength, speed and athleticism, and that can play both sides at full back, who is similar in age with potential to improve further is Djed Spence. Spurs would probably ask for £60 million. So Man City should just go over there instead. They can afford him.

I usually forget they’re on and end up watching the second half.

Erm.

We already have his replacement don’t we? Botman will be first choice.

It’s coming home, it’s coming home, it’s coming…

That'd be a great chance of getting top 8 though.

Ok, maybe them and Real Madrid too.

Would be gutted with that tbh

Yeah i want new sides. Ajax, Real Madrid, Bayern, Napoli.

Not gonna waste my time digging specific things up like you often do I just know how you can be be on here at times. Not something i will ever store in the back of my head, especially in detail. I just know that it’s true what I said. I also don’t have the need whatsoever to convince you, in the way you take satisfaction of trying to convince others. Be my guest to just call what I said is bullshit. Doesn’t really matter to me.

One of those times you have to make a decision and the overall sum of the reaction will be the same either way. 1. Loads of vocal opposition from some of your fanbase 2. Loads of support from some of your fanbase. 3. Trolls in the media have angles to attack you from. 4. Opposing fans who (rightly) are supposed to take the piss have angles to attack you from Nobody with a brain or good faith should be shocked. Angry or disappointed, sure, but shocked would mean you were…stupid or in bad faith. People who want to lump on (the Telegraph article for one) were always going to find a way to do so. It was a massive, critical and difficult decision that was time-dependent for a ton of reasons and I think on balance they may just about have done it right. We’ll see. What you want to do is look at a forum of opposing fans that is generally intelligent and honest and see what they say: “Ange effectively highlighted his limitations” ”It wasn’t just last season’s form either” ”Hope[sic] they would give him another crack Ten Hag style. They might hire someone competent.” ”Shame, clearly the right decision for Spurs” Again, nobody worth listening to is actually shocked. Equally though, nobody worth listening to should pretend there weren’t reasons to keep him. We’ve just won a bloody trophy for the first time in ages. There was real togetherness and joy between team and fans - and club and manager - just look at the parade scenes. The players as a whole seem to love him. You’re risking losing all of that good will and cohesion. We were and are still a squad in transition. Maybe the injuries weren’t to a great extent his fault. Maybe Ryan Mason was holding us back. Maybe that ability to adapt tactics was a sign of things to come. Maybe maybe maybe. To your specifics, again, anyone pretending trophies don’t matter is gaslighting you. One still of that parade should be enough to silence them (just like one still of a Presidential inauguration ceremony). People pretending that 22 losses - that an awful lot of people paid an awful lot of money to watch - don’t matter is also gaslighting you, or themselves. I’ll add my feelings. I’m ecstatic we won a trophy. i feel like we might be less unwatchable going forward. I feel like Frank might be the best appointment for now. I’m nervous for a ton of reasons of course, but that’s the nature of change and big decisions.

Their shortlist was Howe and Emery, two seriously smart managers who between them have broken the near decade long ESL club stranglehold on the Champions League positions, made the Carabao Final, FA Cup semi final, reached a CL quarter final and won a trophy across the last three years. Hardly the work of people who didn’t know what they were doing. The idiot move would have been a Mancini, a Gerrard/Lampard or another high profile name, rather than genuine talent. I’d say the chaos came from agents and clubs desperate for some Saudi petrodollars, not the club.

I hear ya man, I hear ya.

'In the early days' they'd just taken over their first football club, they will have asked stupid questions. Agents were 'astounded' by it? Howay man, it's sensationalism. I don't know why Emery didn't come but you don't botch your way to scouting and recruiting a manager like Howe, after Emery.

Example?

It was a frankly pathetic campaign to bully them into making media narrative friendly moves. Hire Gerrard, bed in with some 'super agents', spaff huge amounts on fees and faded star power, and crash and burn for everyone's entertainment over the following two years. Us doing what we did pissed some of them off so much.

I don't want to lose any of our good players, but Tonali and Isak are the only ones I think we'd struggle to replace.

I was wondering this when the links first came about. No idea. Walker-Peters as back up for the full-back positions to Hall & Tino would have been good but not good enough as first choice.

But it probably wasn't bollocks. And the tweet at no point says "they didn't have a clue." It says they fumbled loads of stuff in the early days - which we know they did as they pissed off Emery? Delaney can be an insufferable prat and report accurately. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Everyone one has a price, I accept that. But he's probably the third most valuable player in the squad for me. The proceeds from his sale would need to allow Newcastle to simultaneously transact on buying both a replacement left-back and a replacement right back (because that's what he is, and part of why Pep wants him in his smaller squad) as well as leaving Newcastle with a meaningful profit to enable Howe to strengthen the squad. Otherwise I don't see the logic.

If we sell tino for anything less then over 100m with a well on clause , like city do then it's a no. The lad is only 22 has prem experience/champs league etc just won a cup we need to start being ruthless so psr is no longer a issue for us in the long term

After they've bought Ekitike and another goalkeeper.

Ironically coming from you. No offence but you often say things without facts too if it’s likely/probable, actually even when not if it fits your view.