Steve McClaren

[The College Dropout]

Your comprehension skills are awful. SMC is a poor manager but the squad isn't significantly better. We should be doing better but we are long way (and yes, a spine of a team is a long way) from being in that bracket just below the top 6-7 with Everton or Soton.

 

This isn't 1972. The most important thing in modern football is money. Making the people who control it - the most important people. That's why you get Abramovic or Venky's.

 

TCD - Sam Allardyce says Hai.  He also says that without money there is no way a manager can influence a squad of utterly s***, abject players

 

You two should talk.

 

You're an absolute idiot. Sunderland have been a bottom half Premiership team and they'll continue to be.

 

I was dead set against SMC from the start. Got pelters for saying he would be no better than Pardew and that nothing had changed. Turns out on evidence thus far.... he's worse. We could do better but this is fundamentally a s*** team.

 

SMC is the new cog in the s*** system.

 

I think you are missing the point. Sunderland don't have any pretensions to be a top half team, Allardyce's remit was to keep them in the premier, something that looked impossible a few weeks ago under Advocaat. Fat Sam has already got them more organised at the back by switching formation to a back 3 with wing backs and they are fighting harder as well. That's not to say Allardyce has suddenly become a good manager, but he knows what he's about and makes no apologies for it.

 

What the f*** Steve McC is about I still haven't got a clue. He's changed nothing despite the same players and formations performing dismally every week. He's like a f***ing rabbit caught in headlights.

I'm not looking at Sunderland with any kind of jealousy.  I'd rather get relegated than get by with an Allardyce (or SMC). SMC is a crap manager as i've said all along. But the team is barely much better. I'd rather finish 18th than 14th.

[Mick]

James, He was w*** today too what the f*** are you talking about?

 

I know he was, the point is that the opposition can just walk right through our midfield, hence "missing"

 

He's always missing and the opposition can walk through our midfield whether he plays or not.

[Skeletor]

I completely avoided the match. What is the quote in the title about? Is he actually happy at losing 5-1?

[Unbelievable]

I completely avoided the match. What is the quote in the title about? Is he actually happy at losing 5-1?

 

Aye man, he got the reaction he was after. Shame it only lasted a few minutes.

[Mick]

I'm with Shearer - how can you coach players who don't wanna be coached? The Mike Ashley cancer has eroded this club to the core, the fans and the players and unfortunately, even the top managers wouldn't get owt out of this shower now.

 

They either want to be coached or have to be coached, neither seems to be the case and it's up to the manager/coach to make sure they do.  He should be taking them to one side and telling them if they're not doing enough.  He should tell them what he expects and what they should expect if they don't do it,it's part of his job.

[mrmojorisin75]

I'm with Shearer - how can you coach players who don't wanna be coached? The Mike Ashley cancer has eroded this club to the core, the fans and the players and unfortunately, even the top managers wouldn't get owt out of this shower now.

 

They either want to be coached or have to be coached, neither seems to be the case and it's up to the manager/coach to make sure they do.  He should be taking them to one side and telling them if they're not doing enough.  He should tell them what he expects and what they should expect if they don't do it,it's part of his job.

Right

[The College Dropout]

The midfield is woeful but to a man, the defence is terrible at defending. I think the combination of midfield and defence is the worst in the division. Fullbacks turning their backs at the ball time and time again. Loser mentality. Wickham stronger and faster than both our CB's.

 

SMC is poor, you can search my posts here. Never wanted him. The fact he's here at all is the problem. Charnley/Carr should be sacked if we can't get rid of Ashley. But Ashley is the main problem.

[Mick]

 

Right

 

Right, what?

[mrmojorisin75]

 

Right

 

Right, what?

Right he should be doing the basics of the job, but he's not

[Scotty66]

Has he tried a different formation since he's been here?

 

We've played the 4-2-3-1 for ages now and it's shite. Seems that just because other managers use it and make it successful it seems our past 3 coaches look at it as some kind of holy grail.

[Mick]

 

Right he should be doing the basics of the job, but he's not

 

I don't think he has it in him to do it. Some think he's lost the dressing room, it's up to him to get it back if has and he'll have to gain the players respect to do that.

[Skeletor]

 

Right he should be doing the basics of the job, but he's not

 

I don't think he has it in him to do it. Some think he's lost the dressing room, it's up to him to get it back if has and he'll have to gain the players respect to do that.

 

Probably never had the dressing room to start with.

[TRon]

Your comprehension skills are awful. SMC is a poor manager but the squad isn't significantly better. We should be doing better but we are long way (and yes, a spine of a team is a long way) from being in that bracket just below the top 6-7 with Everton or Soton.

 

This isn't 1972. The most important thing in modern football is money. Making the people who control it - the most important people. That's why you get Abramovic or Venky's.

 

TCD - Sam Allardyce says Hai.  He also says that without money there is no way a manager can influence a squad of utterly s***, abject players

 

You two should talk.

 

You're an absolute idiot. Sunderland have been a bottom half Premiership team and they'll continue to be.

 

I was dead set against SMC from the start. Got pelters for saying he would be no better than Pardew and that nothing had changed. Turns out on evidence thus far.... he's worse. We could do better but this is fundamentally a s*** team.

 

SMC is the new cog in the s*** system.

 

I think you are missing the point. Sunderland don't have any pretensions to be a top half team, Allardyce's remit was to keep them in the premier, something that looked impossible a few weeks ago under Advocaat. Fat Sam has already got them more organised at the back by switching formation to a back 3 with wing backs and they are fighting harder as well. That's not to say Allardyce has suddenly become a good manager, but he knows what he's about and makes no apologies for it.

 

What the f*** Steve McC is about I still haven't got a clue. He's changed nothing despite the same players and formations performing dismally every week. He's like a f***ing rabbit caught in headlights.

I'm not looking at Sunderland with any kind of jealousy.  I'd rather get relegated than get by with an Allardyce (or SMC). SMC is a crap manager as i've said all along. But the team is barely much better. I'd rather finish 18th than 14th.

 

I don't know if you are just deliberately missing the point or just can't read properly. Have I ever struck you as an Allardyce fan? What I'm saying is that a manager can make a difference assuming he's not an absolute fucking lemon. Allardyce might build teams that play horrendous football, but his only job at a club like Sunderland is to keep them in the premier. You can keep skirting around this as long as you like but if you've been watching any of their games this season you can't fail to acknowledge that he's getting some fairly rubbish players to defend at least moderately effectively. It's a game plan and it's what managers are paid for. The reason we keep bringing it up in the McClaren thread is because there doesn't seem to be one as far as McClaren is concerned other than "we knew it was going to take time to turn it round and we have to play for 95 mins."

 

 

[mrmojorisin75]

Your comprehension skills are awful. SMC is a poor manager but the squad isn't significantly better. We should be doing better but we are long way (and yes, a spine of a team is a long way) from being in that bracket just below the top 6-7 with Everton or Soton.

 

This isn't 1972. The most important thing in modern football is money. Making the people who control it - the most important people. That's why you get Abramovic or Venky's.

 

TCD - Sam Allardyce says Hai.  He also says that without money there is no way a manager can influence a squad of utterly s***, abject players

 

You two should talk.

 

You're an absolute idiot. Sunderland have been a bottom half Premiership team and they'll continue to be.

 

I was dead set against SMC from the start. Got pelters for saying he would be no better than Pardew and that nothing had changed. Turns out on evidence thus far.... he's worse. We could do better but this is fundamentally a s*** team.

 

SMC is the new cog in the s*** system.

 

I think you are missing the point. Sunderland don't have any pretensions to be a top half team, Allardyce's remit was to keep them in the premier, something that looked impossible a few weeks ago under Advocaat. Fat Sam has already got them more organised at the back by switching formation to a back 3 with wing backs and they are fighting harder as well. That's not to say Allardyce has suddenly become a good manager, but he knows what he's about and makes no apologies for it.

 

What the f*** Steve McC is about I still haven't got a clue. He's changed nothing despite the same players and formations performing dismally every week. He's like a f***ing rabbit caught in headlights.

I'm not looking at Sunderland with any kind of jealousy.  I'd rather get relegated than get by with an Allardyce (or SMC). SMC is a crap manager as i've said all along. But the team is barely much better. I'd rather finish 18th than 14th.

 

I don't know if you are just deliberately missing the point or just can't read properly. Have I ever struck you as an Allardyce fan? What I'm saying is that a manager can make a difference assuming he's not an absolute fucking lemon. Allardyce might build teams that play horrendous football, but his only job at a club like Sunderland is to keep them in the premier. You can keep skirting around this as long as you like but if you've been watching any of their games this season you can't fail to acknowledge that he's getting some fairly rubbish players to defend at least moderately effectively. It's a game plan and it's what managers are paid for. The reason we keep bringing it up in the McClaren thread is because there doesn't seem to be one as far as McClaren is concerned other than "we knew it was going to take time to turn it round and we have to play for 95 mins."

[Guest ElCid]

"the killer goal was the fourth"

 

:lol:

 

After taking oiff Perez for Lascelles. The amount of muppets on here who were saying that he was doing ok and progress was being made was unreal a few weeks ago. I bet not many of those people are saying a jot right now, though I do see some one or two have changed their mind also - welcome to the real worls.

Your permanently pointlessly aggressive tone cannot possible help like

 

Just sick of people trying to jusify things who blatantly have not got a clue about football no more no less.

[Ikon]

7 players training extra this sunday? No more than that?

[Gallowgate Toon]

Sunderland have an easy gameplan because of their defence and midfield. They're a crap team of footballers, generally, but they have physicality and are passable backs-to-the-wall style players to be a typical Allardyce side - there's a theme there, at least. M'Vila is a good protector of the defence too and streets ahead of any of our CMs. Our lot are a completely different kettle of fish and, frankly, are more difficult to work out for a situation like this, IMO. We can't push up the pitch because we're slow and light in the middle, don't exactly have the warriors to do a lot of penalty box defending. We're a side with absolutely nowt going for it defensively.

[Guest ElCid]

Our squad is s**** but 2 wins in 14 is squarely on he manager's shoulders.

 

You need to dig a bit deeper. It's 2 wins in 14 and something like 5 wins in 2015. 2014 was a hopeless year as well. Ok so Pardew, Carver and McClaren are never going to be managing a title winning side any time soon but the players need to take a massive share of the blame here. They've failed 3 managers now and for the vast majority of the past 3 years they've barely broken sweat. Some of them are being paid more than £250,000 a month and they aren't even trying.

 

Aye Ashley has picked some poor managers (and the blame for this mess ultimately is at his door) but those players are an absolute disgrace. No coincidence that once we go a goal down it's game over because the players just down tools yet a Pardew team went a goal down against us yesterday and then preceded to rattle in 5 in return.

 

We need to start signing proper players and proper men. Not cheap fannies from the Dutch and French League.

 

It's a combination of the two and that is why you will never succeed with Ashley here. Appoints a number 2 who know nothing about football and allows them to picks managers who cannot motivate players and are tactically inept. Then he appoints a chief scout who continuously goes for players who are blatantly not suited for the permiership and w ho are also in the main not really very good either. Until Ashley appoints people at the top level who are of the right standard for the job then there is not a hell in chance this club will every go forward - we all know that's never going to happen though. At any other club, not only would the likes of McClaren not be appointed (and Pardew and Carver also) but they would have been sacked by now also.

[TRon]

Sunderland have an easy gameplan because of their defence and midfield. They're a crap team of footballers, generally, but they have physicality and are passable backs-to-the-wall style players to be a typical Allardyce side - there's a theme there, at least. M'Vila is a good protector of the defence too and streets ahead of any of our CMs. Our lot are a completely different kettle of fish and, frankly, are more difficult to work out for a situation like this, IMO. We can't push up the pitch because we're slow and light in the middle, don't exactly have the warriors to do a lot of penalty box defending. We're a side with absolutely nowt going for it defensively.

 

No one was saying that about Sunderland a few weeks ago. We have forced out some of our players with a bit of fight like Abeid under McClaren's watch. He has to take some responsibility for it. He's made no effort to change the formation or personnel to get more out of what he has got available. He's got no game plan, even sides like Bournemouth who have a bunch of championship players know what they are about.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Sunderland have an easy gameplan because of their defence and midfield. They're a crap team of footballers, generally, but they have physicality and are passable backs-to-the-wall style players to be a typical Allardyce side - there's a theme there, at least. M'Vila is a good protector of the defence too and streets ahead of any of our CMs. Our lot are a completely different kettle of fish and, frankly, are more difficult to work out for a situation like this, IMO. We can't push up the pitch because we're slow and light in the middle, don't exactly have the warriors to do a lot of penalty box defending. We're a side with absolutely nowt going for it defensively.

 

No one was saying that about Sunderland a few weeks ago. We have forced out some of our players with a bit of fight like Abeid under McClaren's watch. He has to take some responsibility for it. He's made no effort to change the formation or personnel to get more out of what he has got available. He's got no game plan, even sides like Bournemouth who have a bunch of championship players know what they are about.

 

From what I've seen of the mackems, they looked more open under Advocaat and were sliced through with ease, Allardyce has just got them back to basics and is playing to their strengths at the back. What are our strengths? Abeid shouldn't have gone, that's a given and whoever took that decision is a moron. We've tried quite a few formations, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2, 4-3-3 and now 3 at the back and we never look any better, it's almost as if there's a common denominator there. Bournemouth have been built up well and Howe has a structure to the team that he's created over years - they're a tight bunch and he's got the personnel to do exactly what he wants. Quality is only a part of the situation, balance and mentality are equally as, if not more, important.

 

His biggest mistake has been not being radical enough with the man management of the squad. He's tried to come in and ease some of the tensions between players but it's not worked, he now must show authority as it's all he has left.

[The College Dropout]

Your comprehension skills are awful. SMC is a poor manager but the squad isn't significantly better. We should be doing better but we are long way (and yes, a spine of a team is a long way) from being in that bracket just below the top 6-7 with Everton or Soton.

 

This isn't 1972. The most important thing in modern football is money. Making the people who control it - the most important people. That's why you get Abramovic or Venky's.

 

TCD - Sam Allardyce says Hai.  He also says that without money there is no way a manager can influence a squad of utterly s***, abject players

 

You two should talk.

 

You're an absolute idiot. Sunderland have been a bottom half Premiership team and they'll continue to be.

 

I was dead set against SMC from the start. Got pelters for saying he would be no better than Pardew and that nothing had changed. Turns out on evidence thus far.... he's worse. We could do better but this is fundamentally a s*** team.

 

SMC is the new cog in the s*** system.

 

I think you are missing the point. Sunderland don't have any pretensions to be a top half team, Allardyce's remit was to keep them in the premier, something that looked impossible a few weeks ago under Advocaat. Fat Sam has already got them more organised at the back by switching formation to a back 3 with wing backs and they are fighting harder as well. That's not to say Allardyce has suddenly become a good manager, but he knows what he's about and makes no apologies for it.

 

What the f*** Steve McC is about I still haven't got a clue. He's changed nothing despite the same players and formations performing dismally every week. He's like a f***ing rabbit caught in headlights.

I'm not looking at Sunderland with any kind of jealousy.  I'd rather get relegated than get by with an Allardyce (or SMC). SMC is a crap manager as i've said all along. But the team is barely much better. I'd rather finish 18th than 14th.

 

I don't know if you are just deliberately missing the point or just can't read properly. Have I ever struck you as an Allardyce fan? What I'm saying is that a manager can make a difference assuming he's not an absolute f***ing lemon. Allardyce might build teams that play horrendous football, but his only job at a club like Sunderland is to keep them in the premier. You can keep skirting around this as long as you like but if you've been watching any of their games this season you can't fail to acknowledge that he's getting some fairly rubbish players to defend at least moderately effectively. It's a game plan and it's what managers are paid for. The reason we keep bringing it up in the McClaren thread is because there doesn't seem to be one as far as McClaren is concerned other than "we knew it was going to take time to turn it round and we have to play for 95 mins."

 

 

 

The bar is at least upper midtable. The team isn't good enough for that. We should be better than we are not but we are still a bottom 6-8 side. If we where 14th - i'd still be deeply unhappy, maybe even more so. The reason why we have a manager that isn't good enough, is the same reason we have a team that isn't good enough. Yes, with a better manager we could have 4-5 more points but that isn't good enough for me. The strategic direction of the club is wrong. And that comes from the top.  The reason we've been so bad for the last 3 years, isn't the managers (although yes they are shit). It's the people that have hired them.

 

Also - Sunderland have 3, 6'2+ CB's that can defend a 6 yard box. Look at their Palace game, they headed absolutely everything out. We can't do that. They have a CM that can run around and put challenges in. We don't.  Big Sam is the best manager they've had in donkeys and they are still going to be a woeful team.

[The College Dropout]

Our squad is s**** but 2 wins in 14 is squarely on he manager's shoulders.

 

You need to dig a bit deeper. It's 2 wins in 14 and something like 5 wins in 2015. 2014 was a hopeless year as well. Ok so Pardew, Carver and McClaren are never going to be managing a title winning side any time soon but the players need to take a massive share of the blame here. They've failed 3 managers now and for the vast majority of the past 3 years they've barely broken sweat. Some of them are being paid more than £250,000 a month and they aren't even trying.

 

Aye Ashley has picked some poor managers (and the blame for this mess ultimately is at his door) but those players are an absolute disgrace. No coincidence that once we go a goal down it's game over because the players just down tools yet a Pardew team went a goal down against us yesterday and then preceded to rattle in 5 in return.

 

We need to start signing proper players and proper men. Not cheap fannies from the Dutch and French League.

 

It's a combination of the two and that is why you will never succeed with Ashley here. Appoints a number 2 who know nothing about football and allows them to picks managers who cannot motivate players and are tactically inept. Then he appoints a chief scout who continuously goes for players who are blatantly not suited for the permiership and are also in the main are not really very good either. Until Ashley appoints people at the top level who are of the right for the job then there is not a hell in chance this club will every go forward - we all know that's never going to happen though. At any other club, not only would the likes of McClaren not be appointed (and Pardew and Carver also) but they would have been sacked by now also.

 

DING DING DING.

 

No balance in the squad. Losers mentality. Why is McClaren even here? He's a failure at any big club he's been at. Those people are primarily responsible for our predicament.

[huss9]

http://i.imgur.com/8FbLW8o.jpg

[sh74]

http://i.imgur.com/8FbLW8o.jpg

Farmer faced cunt.

[Dunedin]

McLaren should be sacked NOW. Bring in another manager and he has two or three games to assess the squad and have input as to who to buy in Jan. It may already be too late but if we don't act quickly it most definitely will be. I feel sorry for McLaren but his back room team are his choices and they are awful. Smith is a joke at motivating but what did we expect as he was at QPR last season and their motivation got them relegated. McLaren has either lost the dressing room, never actually ever had the dressing room or is ostrich like with his head buried not in sand but up his ar*e.

 

How have we come to such a low dreadful and appalling state ?