Big Geordie Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Not good news if The S*n link is true. I hope he manages to pull through. I'm old enough to remember him in a black and white shirt and the man was sheer quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. BTW apparently not life threatening acording to Mabbutt who has spoken to the medical team. Just seems Gazza's lot want to make it sound really bad so people will feel sorry and pay the bill for the latest stint in rehab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 That is typically what happens like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. Fuck's sake. Very good piece by Jimmy Greaves: Jimmy Greaves: 'There's no light at the end of the tunnel for Paul Gascoigne' 10 Feb 2013 00:01 The most searingly honest report you will read on footy hero Gazza, by Sunday People columnist Jimmy Greaves Kevin Quigley These are not the uplifting, heartwarming words you will want to read about stricken Paul Gascoigne. You’ll want to read that a man who is regarded as a national treasure can fight back from the brink to finally win his battle with alcoholism. Those are the sort of words people use when they know nothing about the hideous illness Paul is living with. I spent some time with Paul a year or so ago, when we appeared in a series of theatre shows together. And, as an alcoholic myself, I have to say I was very wary about the idea. But Paul had not had a drink for about a year and the excellent people at The Providence Projects’ rehab centre in Bournemouth were with him, believing that performing on stage would aid him and, as it happened, Paul did his turn and the shows went well. Yet he still seemed fragile. I still believed he was on the edge of a relapse. The problem was that people kept coming backstage and asking him to do this appearance or that after-dinner show and Paul seemed reluctant to say no. In fact, Paul is a prime candidate for alcoholism because he wants to please everybody all the time. He wants to be the centre of attention and, like all of us to some extent, he dearly wants to be loved. People talk glibly about clubbing together and getting him to a rehab centre in Phoenix, Arizona, to help his “recovery”. I’m sure these people are well-meaning and will enjoy being thought well of for trying to help. But people all too often want to help alcoholics at arms length, on their own terms. You cannot help an alcoholic on your own terms. So, if you want a dose of reality, let me give you one. There is no recovery from alcoholism. You can recover from a heart attack. You can cure cancer and mend broken bones. But alcoholism is an incredibly complex mental illness which never leaves you. It doesn’t matter that I’ve not had a drink for 34 years. For me, it’s still about not having one today. The People Front page You always have to be acutely aware of it. That mental process is like having to screw on a wooden leg every morning. You’d rather not have a wooden leg but without it you know you will fall in a heap. When you are down, when you are lonely, that is when you want a drink the most. And Paul Gascoigne is a very lonely man. That is the heart of the problem. He may return from Arizona having dried out but he still won’t be sober. Probably only an alcoholic can truly appreciate the difference between the two. To learn to live as normal a life as possible with alcoholism, you have to have a supreme bloody-mindedness – and I’m afraid I do not think Paul possesses that. George Best, one of the few British players to rank above Paul in terms of genius, was a good friend of mine. I knew George in our playing days and I also performed a number of theatre tours with him. With no disrespect to Paul, George was a far brighter, sharper man than him. He was a far more together, a more rounded human being – but the drink killed George. After a number of successful theatre appearances, we were due to play a gig in Bristol when I heard that the venue had cancelled because they had heard, correctly, that George was back on the booze. It shocked me because I did not expect George to drink again. It also shook me because I felt that this time it would kill him – and it did. I fear Paul will die if he carries on drinking but it’s not about merely prolonging his life. He needs to find a purpose, a quality of life. I’m afraid I can’t see any light at the end of the tunnel for him. I don’t see the hope. And I don’t detect the necessary bloody-mindedness within him. As a footballer he wasn’t bothered about winning, losing or drawing. He wasn’t bothered about grinding out a 1-0 win. He wanted to entertain. And he still does. He wants to be the life and soul of the party. He enjoys the talking appearances but some people close to Paul think it doesn’t matter if he has a drink as long as he is sober enough to be coherent at the next dinner show, when there’s £5,000 at stake. Paul, as I mentioned, was a genius as a footballer. Others may have achieved much more in the game but Paul was genuinely touched by God. If you are a genius as an artist, a songwriter, an author or an actor, say, nobody tells you at the age of 30 or 35 you can’t do that any more. That the career which brought you wealth, fame and admiration is over and you will have to find something else to do. It leaves a hell of a hole in your life, I can tell you. I don’t know exactly when Paul descended into alcoholism but, for me, a significant factor was the end of my top-flight playing career. There is no tried and tested way of surviving with alcoholism. You have to find your own path. You have to wake up one morning, shaking like a leaf and puking, and realise that you don’t like the world you are living in and that the world doesn’t like you much either. I went to a rehab place in St John’s Wood three or four times and it was all warm slippers and hot baths, pay your bill and head back out into the world again. It was not until I woke up one day in a mental hospital in Essex – in a room of people sitting around farting, shaking and talking to themselves – that I had the reality check I needed. I haven’t had any counselling since but every alcoholic has to take their own path. Nobody can instruct you. Whether it’s going to AA or other counselling. Whether it’s finding God or talking to the trees in your garden, you have to find your own way. I believe Paul was getting the best help possible at The Providence Projects but nothing they could have done would ever have been enough on its own. When I stopped drinking in 1978, I had just separated from my wife because I realised how miserable I was making her and our children, who were young enough to be at home but old enough to be impressionable. 2009: Channel 4's documentary "Surviving Gazza" highlighted the turmoil suffered by Gascoigne's family during his troubles I knew I wasn’t a very nice person and I wanted to be better. Luckily for me, my wife and I got back together again soon after and I could gradually get my life back into some sort of order. I was enjoying playing non-league football for Barnet, with no pressure, and I had a job selling knitwear for a friend, again there was no stress and I could work at my own pace. It was not for another three years that I felt ready to go into a full-time career in television. That was my path and, as I write, I haven’t had a drink for more than 34 years. Though I’m bloody-minded enough never to be complacent about it. I’m luckier than Paul. On a football field, Paul could always plot a course through an opposition’s defence with some mazy dribble or piece of magic. In life, sadly, I don’t believe he possesses that same vision. Jimmy was talking to Chief Sports Writer Dave Kidd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Couldn't the title just be Paul Gascoigne now? Dunno why but the (the bloke, not the place) irritates me loads for no reason in particular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. BTW apparently not life threatening acording to Mabbutt who has spoken to the medical team. Just seems Gazza's lot want to make it sound really bad so people will feel sorry and pay the bill for the latest stint in rehab. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 You got your wish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. BTW apparently not life threatening acording to Mabbutt who has spoken to the medical team. Just seems Gazza's lot want to make it sound really bad so people will feel sorry and pay the bill for the latest stint in rehab. It's unlike Toon's Taylor to overreact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. BTW apparently not life threatening acording to Mabbutt who has spoken to the medical team. Just seems Gazza's lot want to make it sound really bad so people will feel sorry and pay the bill for the latest stint in rehab. It's unlike Toon's Taylor to overreact. Wonder what your reaction would be if this was Taylor 20 years down the line. You'd probably be pumping the spirits in to him via a drip. Gazza doesn't want to help himself, he's had every opportunity and a lot more than he deserves and time after time he lets everyone down. He is a drunk, he is selfish and he is an arsehole to everyone that has ever cared about him. If he wants to die, leave him to it, give the help and attention to someone who is more willing to change their lives. Gazza certainly isn't arsed about his. Separate the person from the footballer, the guy is a dickhead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. BTW apparently not life threatening acording to Mabbutt who has spoken to the medical team. Just seems Gazza's lot want to make it sound really bad so people will feel sorry and pay the bill for the latest stint in rehab. It's unlike Toon's Taylor to overreact. Wonder what your reaction would be if this was Taylor 20 years down the line. You'd probably be pumping the spirits in to him via a drip. Gazza doesn't want to help himself, he's had every opportunity and a lot more than he deserves and time after time he lets everyone down. He is a drunk, he is selfish and he is an arsehole to everyone that has ever cared about him. If he wants to die, leave him to it, give the help and attention to someone who is more willing to change their lives. Gazza certainly isn't arsed about his. Separate the person from the footballer, the guy is a dickhead. Thanks for proving my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Absolutely ridiculous from TT that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 I briefly thought the title change meant he'd died Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Wonder what your reaction would be if this was Taylor 20 years down the line. You'd probably be pumping the spirits in to him via a drip. Gazza doesn't want to help himself, he's had every opportunity and a lot more than he deserves and time after time he lets everyone down. He is a drunk, he is selfish and he is an arsehole to everyone that has ever cared about him. If he wants to die, leave him to it, give the help and attention to someone who is more willing to change their lives. Gazza certainly isn't arsed about his. Separate the person from the footballer, the guy is a dickhead. Gazza is a caring person who has problems, I've heard loads of stories about him giving money away to people who were worse off than he was. He was well known for seeing people with nowt in the streets and going to a cash point and going back to give his money away. He’s got a problem and needs help, I don’t see how others needing less help makes Gazza a worse person, it’s not that simple, obviously. Personally, I feel sorry for him in the same way that I would feel sorry for anybody going through what he's going through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Why is he left sitting in a bar on his own ffs, like they're surprised he's ordered a pint. With all the help that's gone his way, I really hope this time he doesn't throw it back in peoples faces. Course he will, he's an selfish drunken arsehole. BTW apparently not life threatening acording to Mabbutt who has spoken to the medical team. Just seems Gazza's lot want to make it sound really bad so people will feel sorry and pay the bill for the latest stint in rehab. It's unlike Toon's Taylor to overreact. Wonder what your reaction would be if this was Taylor 20 years down the line. You'd probably be pumping the spirits in to him via a drip. Gazza doesn't want to help himself, he's had every opportunity and a lot more than he deserves and time after time he lets everyone down. He is a drunk, he is selfish and he is an arsehole to everyone that has ever cared about him. If he wants to die, leave him to it, give the help and attention to someone who is more willing to change their lives. Gazza certainly isn't arsed about his. Separate the person from the footballer, the guy is a dickhead. He's an arsehole to everyone that ever cared about him and he's a dick head? What makes you say that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Canny ridiculous TT. Most drunks, addicts etc should always be afforded a helping hand, no matter how many times they've had one before. Forgetting the fact that as well as being a magnificent footballer, the man is as lovely a person you'd hope to meet. He'd do anything for anyone. Just a shame his brain isn't strong enough to fend off addiction. No shame in it. Scientific fact. Some people need help now and again, some people need a shitload. Everyone should get however much they need. Fucking hope the man gets better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted February 10, 2013 Share Posted February 10, 2013 Paul Gascoigne's therapist has confirmed that the former England footballer has been admitted to hospital in the United States. However, John McKeown says there are no fears for the life of the 45-year-old, who is being treated for alcohol addiction. Capped 57 times by England in his playing days, Gascoigne flew out to the United States last week and was admitted to the Cottonwood rehabilitation centre in Arizona so he could be treated for his addiction. But reports emerged this weekend stating that the former Newcastle, Spurs, Lazio and Rangers man's health had deteriorated and that he had been taken to intensive care. The clinic could not comment due to patient confidentiality but McKeown, a therapist who has been working with Gascoigne for over 10 years, has now released a statement. He said: "Following reports today, I feel it's appropriate to bring people up to date on Paul Gascoigne'scondition. "Paul has experienced severe complications with his detoxification. This is not unusual for someone who has been drinking as heavily as he has. "Paul was transferred from the US Clinic Cottonwood to a local hospital to be monitored, so as to be completely satisfied that there are no other complications to his health. "He is still receiving that care but the hospital has reassured me that he is up and about and walking around. There are no fears for his life. We will aim to keep everyone updated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 To be fair to TT, I think he's been personally affected by something alcohol-related and it must be bloody tough seeing all this sympathy towards someone who pisses away chance after chance and help upon help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Probably best to let the lad say that himself, if that's the case, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 eurgh http://www.101greatgoals.com/gallery/gimages/image/star-on-wednesday-gazza-the-full-shocking-truth/ "descent into hell" ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeloEmre Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/298477/GAZZA-THE-SHOCKING-TRUTH/ Fucking hell! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/298477/GAZZA-THE-SHOCKING-TRUTH/ f***ing hell! That footage should never be in the possession of the media. The man's a human being for Gods sake . Thought the Jimmy Greaves piece was exceptional tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Feel sorry for him, but I dunno how to feel when I hear about people and sporting organisations donating 40,000 quid for his care or 125,000 quid for flights, accommodation and rehab in the US. Think there's probably worthier recipients of cash like that than one alcoholic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 Feel sorry for him, but I dunno how to feel when I hear about people and sporting organisations donating 40,000 quid for his care or 125,000 quid for flights, accommodation and rehab in the US. Think there's probably worthier recipients of cash like that than one alcoholic. There almost certainly are, but thats kind of a matter for the people who are giving away their money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 13, 2013 Share Posted February 13, 2013 He's contributed more than any other alcoholic to the sporting world though so it's understandable, I mean he's one of the countries greatest ever footballers. That footage is fucking ridiculous, why would someone record and laugh at a known alcoholic, let alone sell it to the papers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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