Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 They didn't work as a partnership, they didn't work with Cisse wide. It's not about preferring any individual, it's about the fact that playing Ba wide and Cisse central was the way to produce the best team. Obviously we're arguing hypothetical situation against something that actually happened, so it's kind of hard to know either way. Yes , our best performances and results came with Cisse being flanked by Ba and Hatem in a front 3. We never saw that once this season. All down to Pardew kowtowing to Ba's demands. Weak management to put the whole team's balance out of kilter for one man's petulance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 They would set out differently though so you cannot really say, I doubt they'd be any lower than 7th though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh come on, if Bale was injured against us and Wham and someone else in their squad took hisplace they would not have taken 6 points. He's not on the end of team moves. He's scoring great goals and goals only he could score. They've built the whole team around him. He can do whatever he likes and what's best for him because he will deliver. Holtby's not a wide player but teams are marking Bale out at LW so he moves and Holtby has to love it. He's carrying them. They are not playing brilliantly as a team at all. He scored twice at Wham and provided the cross for the other goal. Man United ATM are in the groove, everyone is playing well. That is not the case at Spurs. Gareth Bale's individual brilliance is winning them points and the team is built to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh come on, if Bale was injured against us and Wham and someone else in their squad took hisplace they would not have taken 6 points. Wow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It genuinely astounds me that anyone can be that fucking naive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 He has a point though, Bale has got them a number of results with basically solo brilliance. And especially important since Spurs don't have anyone else who can score a goal at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Oh come on, if Bale was injured against us and Wham and someone else in their squad took hisplace they would not have taken 6 points. He's not on the end of team moves. He's scoring great goals and goals only he could score. They've built the whole team around him. He can do whatever he likes and what's best for him because he will deliver. Holtby's not a wide player but teams are marking Bale out at LW so he moves and Holtby has to love it. He's carrying them. They are not playing brilliantly as a team at all. He scored twice at Wham and provided the cross for the other goal. Man United ATM are in the groove, everyone is playing well. That is not the case at Spurs. Gareth Bale's individual brilliance is winning them points and the team is built to do so. Broadly agree with this. Adebayor and Dembele and others have been pretty average a lot of this season. Bale has indeed been the talisman most games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 He has a point though, Bale has got them a number of results with basically solo brilliance. And especially important since Spurs don't have anyone else who can score a goal at the moment. The 2 free kicks against Lyon are good examples of this. They're as close to a 1 man team as you're likely to get atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 He has a point though, Bale has got them a number of results with basically solo brilliance. And especially important since Spurs don't have anyone else who can score a goal at the moment. So without Bale Tottenham could not have beaten us at home and West Ham away, the latter being in terrible form? Come on, man. I'm not saying they certainly would have but it hardly would have been a gigantic feat for them. Without Bale they wouldn't instantly crumble, they still have some superb players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 They didn't work as a partnership, they didn't work with Cisse wide. It's not about preferring any individual, it's about the fact that playing Ba wide and Cisse central was the way to produce the best team. Obviously we're arguing hypothetical situation against something that actually happened, so it's kind of hard to know either way. Our best results last year came at home to Man U and away to Chelsea. We played 4-4-2 in each. One with Ba and Cisse. What's best for the team is playing the in-form man in his best position. If you think the difference between last season and te beginning of this was swapping Ba and Cisse around then there's not much I can say. The fact Pardew is still willing to stick Cisse out wide from time to time just confirms he doesn't believe Cisse at the moment to be the best option at 9 at all times. Contract situation aside. IMO most managers and pundits will think play the in form man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 What's best for the team is playing the in-form man in his best position. I don't really agree with this, and it highlights the problem of discussing hypothetical situations v reality. What I meant was that in the hypothetical situation that Ba was wide and Cisse was central, it's very possible that Ba would have got some (but less) goals and Cisse would have also got some (more than he did in reality). Then the discussion about the 'form man' would not arise. Obviously it's impossible to know, my opinion is just that the team would have been better served with Ba out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 They didn't work as a partnership, they didn't work with Cisse wide. It's not about preferring any individual, it's about the fact that playing Ba wide and Cisse central was the way to produce the best team. Obviously we're arguing hypothetical situation against something that actually happened, so it's kind of hard to know either way. Our best results last year came at home to Man U and away to Chelsea. We played 4-4-2 in each. One with Ba and Cisse. What's best for the team is playing the in-form man in his best position. If you think the difference between last season and te beginning of this was swapping Ba and Cisse around then there's not much I can say. The fact Pardew is still willing to stick Cisse out wide from time to time just confirms he doesn't believe Cisse at the moment to be the best option at 9 at all times. Contract situation aside. IMO most managers and pundits will think play the in form man. We didn't play 4-4-2 at Chelsea. It was a 4-3-3, though it was more fluid than before with Ba and Cisse interchanging. Ironic Cisse scored that goal from where Ba would've been in a more rigid formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 It was 4-4-2. The opening goal shows the position of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Take Bale out and they'd be mid-table. Just look at how many points he's got them alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think they're a good team actually with a good defence and mid but really desperately need some more cutting edge up top, they lack a striker better than Defoe, and especially when he's injured of course they're going to rely on Bale. If they buy Benteke and a few others in the summer (somehow seems exactly the kind of striker they need) think they'd look less of a one man team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Can't believe what hans is saying personally. I haven't seen a man carry a team like this in ages. Did he watch our match? Did he watch the Wham match? At Wham, without Bale they lose imo. Against us, we looked toothless without Gouff but I would've fancied us to nick a draw. They probably would've bundled one in without Bale at some point. They don't score 3 at Wham without Bale. They don't beat Lyon at home without Bale. They lose to Norwich without Bale. You know why RVP is worth 20m at 29 with a year left on his contract? Because RVP and RVP alone is potentially the difference between 1st and 2nd. Does Hans think Bale is worth £30m because of his looks? Gareth Frank Bale has single handidly won Spurs matches, plural. You know... like any world class attacking, match winner in football. Worst part about Hans POV. Is that Bale is scoring wonder goals, outside the box, powerful runs. Definition of one man team heroics. As a team, Redknapp's lot where playing better than this before the implosion. The past 5 weeks have been the Gareth Bale show. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I think they're a good team actually with a good defence and mid but really desperately need some more cutting edge up top, they lack a striker better than Defoe, and especially when he's injured of course they're going to rely on Bale. If they buy Benteke and a few others in the summer (somehow seems exactly the kind of striker they need) think they'd look less of a one man team. the defence isn't great atm. Do they do concede and look like conceding. The Bale braces have been vital. Had Bale been added to the injury list. They would be behind Arsenal. 100% certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Take Bale out and they'd be mid-table. Just look at how many points he's got them alone. That is rubbish tbf, Bale hasn't been carrying them until the last 3 or 4 weeks before then it was much more of a team effort with Defoe, Dempsey, Dembele and Lennon all contributing to points. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Hans is the naive fool. Star players can be the difference between winning and losing, cups and runners up. I thought everybody knew this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Take Bale out and they'd be mid-table. Just look at how many points he's got them alone. That is rubbish tbf, Bale hasn't been carrying them until the last 3 or 4 weeks before then it was much more of a team effort with Defoe, Dempsey, Dembele and Lennon all contributing to points. Mid table is a bit strong. Behind Arsenal? I believe so. The past 5 weeks Bale has won them points. Credit to AVB for helping Bale get to this next level but the team as a whole in recent weeks hasn't been great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Behind Arsenal? yeah sure but mid table is ridiculous, they would still be in the top 6 IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 AVB is an average manager and will be my next target once I'm done with Blobfish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Take Bale out and they'd be mid-table. Just look at how many points he's got them alone. That is rubbish tbf, Bale hasn't been carrying them until the last 3 or 4 weeks before then it was much more of a team effort with Defoe, Dempsey, Dembele and Lennon all contributing to points. Mid table is a bit strong. Behind Arsenal? I believe so. The past 5 weeks Bale has won them points. Credit to AVB for helping Bale get to this next level but the team as a whole in recent weeks hasn't been great. His strike rate is better than 1 in 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 I thought Spurs looked the definition of a one-man team against us tbh. Didn't see the West Ham game but he definitely won the points against us (with a little help from our centre-backs). Take Bale out and they'd be mid-table. Just look at how many points he's got them alone. That is rubbish tbf, Bale hasn't been carrying them until the last 3 or 4 weeks before then it was much more of a team effort with Defoe, Dempsey, Dembele and Lennon all contributing to points. Mid table is a bit strong. Behind Arsenal? I believe so. The past 5 weeks Bale has won them points. Credit to AVB for helping Bale get to this next level but the team as a whole in recent weeks hasn't been great. So what the fuck are you going on about then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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