triggs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Why can't he play like he did in the last 20 minutes or so more consistently? Was garbage before then. Its f***ing simple man He's fast and athletic and obviously gets more into it as the game opens up. Don't know how people are still finding this difficult to understand Does that mean he shouldn't do the basics properly like pass the ball to a teammate or bust a gut to cover or track his man while the game is still cagey? Did you read my post like? I said he starts to play well when the game opens up, he's a poor technical player in tight areas in terms of passing, touch etc. Can't say that I notice him not tracking his man that often like He starts the game too pedestrian and lethargic. If he can't play in tight situations, then he can just do the simple stuff. I'm simply saying it's an attitude thing rather than ability. He only seems to turn it on when he starts to believe we can get something out of the game. Same exact thing happened last weekend. Its a lot easier for an athletic player to shine in the last 30 minutes than in the first 60 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Why can't he play like he did in the last 20 minutes or so more consistently? Was garbage before then. Its f***ing simple man He's fast and athletic and obviously gets more into it as the game opens up. Don't know how people are still finding this difficult to understand Does that mean he shouldn't do the basics properly like pass the ball to a teammate or bust a gut to cover or track his man while the game is still cagey? Did you read my post like? I said he starts to play well when the game opens up, he's a poor technical player in tight areas in terms of passing, touch etc. Can't say that I notice him not tracking his man that often like He starts the game too pedestrian and lethargic. If he can't play in tight situations, then he can just do the simple stuff. I'm simply saying it's an attitude thing rather than ability. He only seems to turn it on when he starts to believe we can get something out of the game. Same exact thing happened last weekend. Its a lot easier for an athletic player to shine in the last 30 minutes than in the first 60 FACT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Controversial, perhaps, but I wouldn't start him next week. I think we need to try something different for these sorts of games and would go for something more technical that somehow revolves around de Jong, Perez, Wijnaldum & Thauvin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Why can't he play like he did in the last 20 minutes or so more consistently? Was garbage before then. Its f***ing simple man He's fast and athletic and obviously gets more into it as the game opens up. Don't know how people are still finding this difficult to understand Does that mean he shouldn't do the basics properly like pass the ball to a teammate or bust a gut to cover or track his man while the game is still cagey? Did you read my post like? I said he starts to play well when the game opens up, he's a poor technical player in tight areas in terms of passing, touch etc. Can't say that I notice him not tracking his man that often like He starts the game too pedestrian and lethargic. If he can't play in tight situations, then he can just do the simple stuff. I'm simply saying it's an attitude thing rather than ability. He only seems to turn it on when he starts to believe we can get something out of the game. Same exact thing happened last weekend. Its a lot easier for an athletic player to shine in the last 30 minutes than in the first 60 FACT. Dont know if this is taking the piss or what like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Controversial, perhaps, but I wouldn't start him next week. I think we need to try something different for these sorts of games and would go for something more technical that somehow revolves around de Jong, Perez, Wijnaldum & Thauvin. I'd rather have Sissoko running at a beleaguered Villa defence than Thauvin tbh. Especially 2nd half Sissoko or Norwich Sissoko. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Villa will probably come to sit deep and I don't think there'll be enough space to dribble through from the off. Thauvin's a good technical player and this is the exact sort of game you'd expect his best qualities to come through: slower pace, more emphasis on shorter passing combinations, need for tighter control. Same with de Jong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Villa will probably come to sit deep and I don't think there'll be enough space to dribble through from the off. Thauvin's a good technical player and this is the exact sort of game you'd expect his best qualities to come through: slower pace, more emphasis on shorter passing combinations, need for tighter control. Same with de Jong. Maybe not a bad idea in theory. The fear with that plan is that Thauvin isn't in any way proven as a creative force for us yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Nah, id start him, Villa cant afford to sit deep in their position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Controversial, perhaps, but I wouldn't start him next week. I think we need to try something different for these sorts of games and would go for something more technical that somehow revolves around de Jong, Perez, Wijnaldum & Thauvin. If it was up to me, I'd drop Cisse, Sissoko and Colback, moving Wijnaldum in to the middle with Ayoze and Thauvin on the wings and Mitrovic up front for Villa. Never going to happen though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Why can't he play like he did in the last 20 minutes or so more consistently? Was garbage before then. Its f***ing simple man He's fast and athletic and obviously gets more into it as the game opens up. Don't know how people are still finding this difficult to understand Does that mean he shouldn't do the basics properly like pass the ball to a teammate or bust a gut to cover or track his man while the game is still cagey? Did you read my post like? I said he starts to play well when the game opens up, he's a poor technical player in tight areas in terms of passing, touch etc. Can't say that I notice him not tracking his man that often like He was miles away from Rose for that Spurs chance at the end of the first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Villa will probably come to sit deep and I don't think there'll be enough space to dribble through from the off. Thauvin's a good technical player and this is the exact sort of game you'd expect his best qualities to come through: slower pace, more emphasis on shorter passing combinations, need for tighter control. Same with de Jong. Maybe not a bad idea in theory. The fear with that plan is that Thauvin isn't in any way proven as a creative force for us yet Of course, but I've been slightly more encouraged by his recent (sporadic) cameos for some reason. If there's a game in the league for him, this is the one to start. I think de Jong could be a massive asset for times like this too. Some of his one-touch stuff today was the exact type of play we'll need, especially with Gini ghosting in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I think it would be incredibly difficult to justify dropping a player that has created loads of chances in the last two games like. If we had a more proven winger than Thauvin then maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Yeah I wouldn't drop him for Villa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Controversial, perhaps, but I wouldn't start him next week. I think we need to try something different for these sorts of games and would go for something more technical that somehow revolves around de Jong, Perez, Wijnaldum & Thauvin. If it was up to me, I'd drop Cisse, Sissoko and Colback, moving Wijnaldum in to the middle with Ayoze and Thauvin on the wings and Mitrovic up front for Villa. Never going to happen though. Think you are negating Wijnaldum's best quality, goal scoring with that plan personally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Why can't he play like he did in the last 20 minutes or so more consistently? Was garbage before then. Its f***ing simple man He's fast and athletic and obviously gets more into it as the game opens up. Don't know how people are still finding this difficult to understand Does that mean he shouldn't do the basics properly like pass the ball to a teammate or bust a gut to cover or track his man while the game is still cagey? Did you read my post like? I said he starts to play well when the game opens up, he's a poor technical player in tight areas in terms of passing, touch etc. Can't say that I notice him not tracking his man that often like Most players are poor technical players in tight areas unless they are passing the ball backwards. If he was that poor technically I doubt he could pick out forwards on a slide rule for so many final balls which today weren't capitalised on. The only criticism I would have of him today was that if we were zonally marking for the set pieces he didn't do his job when we conceded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Controversial, perhaps, but I wouldn't start him next week. I think we need to try something different for these sorts of games and would go for something more technical that somehow revolves around de Jong, Perez, Wijnaldum & Thauvin. If it was up to me, I'd drop Cisse, Sissoko and Colback, moving Wijnaldum in to the middle with Ayoze and Thauvin on the wings and Mitrovic up front for Villa. Never going to happen though. Think you are negating Wijnaldum's best quality, goal scoring with that plan personally Disagree that that his best quality, despite his impressive goal tally. Want him involved in our build up more, as he's got such a lovely first touch and a great pass on him. Playing in front of Anita he should have the freedom to drift into their box as well. Fuck this playing with two out and out defensive midfielders, especially at home against the worst team in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Drop Sissoko? Lol, what are you guys on Technically he is quite average BUT he offers us so much, it's absolute madness to suggest we drop him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Officially better than Alan Smith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Villa presented their vulnerable soft parts to Arsenal a few times today, not they're even able to stifle the play like had been suggested. Anyway, even with Thauvin and De Jong I think the counter is our only proven way to get goals at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Villa presented their vulnerable soft parts to Arsenal a few times today, not they're even able to stifle the play like had been suggested. Anyway, even with Thauvin and De Jong I think the counter is our only proven way to get goals at the moment. http://memecrunch.com/meme/50MHP/did-he-just-say-what-i-think-he-said/image.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The two chances he did create where cleat chances. At least the Mitro one, the Cisse one was a good half chance. Nobody else came close to being as creative. But because he's Moussa - people want him replaced..... for Thauvin..... Thauvin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Utter shite first half and then as good as anyone else in the second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 By far #1 in our team for key passes (passes that lead to shots or goal scoring opportunities) - so aye.. let's bin him. For Thauvin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Didn't read it 3 mins ago, cheers for repeating Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I wouldn't drop him, from the highlights I saw he seemed to be the one creating chances. If Sissoko and Winjaldum are dealt with by opposition players then we have no one else to create anything. I'd still play Thauvin, no reason why he can't play as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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