The Managerial Merry Go Round™

[SUPERTOON]

 

[toon25]

13 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Being sacked for not winning the league at a canter is damning of the entire structure of German football at present. Ten titles in a row in a major league is a joke - the Bundesliga is often lauded up for its ownership models, but Bayern’s total dominance (rather than just winning it every other year) has coincided with a massive downturn in the national team’s players and performances.  It’s embarrassing, in all honesty.  And I’m sure Bayern being the biggest pusher of ‘FFP’ has absolutely nothing to do with their dominance - the worst of the closed shop brigade.  Cunt’s club. 
 

Edit: for context, unless this has changed in the last decade and I’ve forgotten (can’t be arsed to check), three in a row is the most managed in English football.  Herbert Chapman’s great Huddersfield and Arsenal teams managed it in the 20s and 30s respectively, Liverpool’s superb early ‘80s side, and Ferguson managed it at least once from memory (99-01; I think they may have done it again under him, though I could be wrong).  Winning ten in a row is such a joke that no-one has even managed it in Scotland. 

 

 

 

Great post.

 

It's turning into the SPL. 

[toon25]

8 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

Urgh.

 

Would have loved another Nuno appointment for the lols

 

[TRon]

13 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Being sacked for not winning the league at a canter is damning of the entire structure of German football at present. Ten titles in a row in a major league is a joke - the Bundesliga is often lauded up for its ownership models, but Bayern’s total dominance (rather than just winning it every other year) has coincided with a massive downturn in the national team’s players and performances.  It’s embarrassing, in all honesty.  And I’m sure Bayern being the biggest pusher of ‘FFP’ has absolutely nothing to do with their dominance - the worst of the closed shop brigade.  Cunt’s club. 
 

Edit: for context, unless this has changed in the last decade and I’ve forgotten (can’t be arsed to check), three in a row is the most managed in English football.  Herbert Chapman’s great Huddersfield and Arsenal teams managed it in the 20s and 30s respectively, Liverpool’s superb early ‘80s side, and Ferguson managed it at least once from memory (99-01; I think they may have done it again under him, though I could be wrong).  Winning ten in a row is such a joke that no-one has even managed it in Scotland. 

 

 

 

 

German domestic football has the whiff of the old days when English football was quite insular. Banned from Europe we were convinced we knew better than everyone else, and that's when we had the regression to hoofball and the rise of the PFMs.

 

It's not a bad idea in principal to have a certain amount of insularity to preserve the look and feel of the domestic game, but I doubt the PL would have become the best league in the world if we had continued down that road.

[SteV]

22 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

Did he develop his “affinity” round about the time Bayern sacked him?

[KaKa]

Nagelsmann falling right into Spurs lap is pretty sickening man. We could have really done without that. 

[TRon]

36 minutes ago, KaKa said:

Nagelsmann falling right into Spurs lap is pretty sickening man. We could have really done without that. 

 

Spurs are currently a CL club, London based as well, which still matters to foreign managers. I'm not a fan of London personally, but from an cosmopolitan POV it does make sense. They along with the other traditional big six are always going to get choice of top managers, if it wasn't Nagelsman it would have been Tuchel or Poch. I mean look at the manager who is on the way out, that tells you a lot.

 

The best hope for the downfall of Spurs has to be Levy's penny pinching and his insistence on trying to rein top managers into his way of thinking. He's always struck me as the rich man's Ashley in many ways.

[KaKa]

19 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Spurs are currently a CL club, London based as well, which still matters to foreign managers. I'm not a fan of London personally, but from an cosmopolitan POV it does make sense. They along with the other traditional big six are always going to get choice of top managers, if it wasn't Nagelsman it would have been Tuchel or Poch. I mean look at the manager who is on the way out, that tells you a lot.

 

The best hope for the downfall of Spurs has to be Levy's penny pinching and his insistence on trying to rein top managers into his way of thinking. He's always struck me as the rich man's Ashley in many ways.

 

I would have been cool with Tuchel going there actually. He's another hot head that can be quite tough on players, and those Spurs pansies would have capitulated under him.

 

Nagelsman worries me. He's young and so more likely to embrace their project and work within Levy's approach. He's also a lot more flexible tactically and attack minded, and he's more likely to make use of all of their attacking talent to their optimum. Likely going to see all of Kane, Richarlison, Son and Kulusevski on the pitch at the same time now, and I could see that coming together really well.

 

Hoping Levy somehow fumbles this and they do not end up with him or Pochettino. 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by KaKa

[The College Dropout]

For all the criticism. Nagelsman has looked useless in Europe for most of his career and has struggled in the league in relative terms.

 

But I agree witrh everything said about what Bayern has done to German football. And that whole model.

 

Even Real and Barca realise that they need each other.

 

It hasn't even really helped Bayern in Europe.  2 CL's in what, 16 years? I think. German club won the Conference thing. That's it.

[Geogaddi]

Don’t mind Nagelsman going to Spurs to be honest ,admittedly I don’t follow the Bundlesliga so have no idea what’s going on with Bayern but they stroll that league every year so for them to be not winning it with ease this year suggests something not right with the manager .

[Cronky]

15 hours ago, TRon said:

 

German domestic football has the whiff of the old days when English football was quite insular. Banned from Europe we were convinced we knew better than everyone else, and that's when we had the regression to hoofball and the rise of the PFMs.

 

It's not a bad idea in principal to have a certain amount of insularity to preserve the look and feel of the domestic game, but I doubt the PL would have become the best league in the world if we had continued down that road.

 

We've probably got different perspectives on what constitutes the 'old days', but the insularity of British football dates back 100 years, when football in different parts of the world began to take root and develop, while Britain took no notice. When we finally entered the World Cup in 1950 and lost to the USA, and got hammered by the Hungarians in 1953, it was the wake-up call. It's been a long road since, trying to catch up with the skill levels of continental players, and learning to not just rely on physicality.

 

Ironically though, it's that competitive, higher-tempo element in British football that makes it attractive to viewers abroad. The seeds of that popularity were laid in the dawn of the TV age in the sixties, where English football was shown live on the continent while we had to wait for the highlights on MOTD.

[stlouismag]

21 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

 

 

Someone send him a .wav of the plodding, mind-numbing, rage-inducing desecration of "when the saints go marching in" that he'll have to suffer through for at least 50 minutes of each home match. That should clear up that "affinity" right quick. 

 

Here's a version from an actual fucking funeral lest anyone have forgotten it's a joyful song:

 

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InqnQ8vU3DU

 

[Kaizero]

I thought the Bayern sacking actually had more to do with the players disliking Nagelsmann for his Ted Lasso-esque antics, as well as them feeling they no longer could communicate openly given that his girlfriend is one of the leading sports journos in Germany - rather than him being sacked due "bad results"?

 

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by Kaizero

[Doctor Zaius]

Bayern winning 10 titles in a row is a joke but the lack of competitiveness in football is quite grim. If Arsenal bottle it this year itll be 5 out of the last 6 titles for City. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Bayern winning 10 titles in a row is a joke but the lack of competitiveness in football is quite grim. If Arsenal bottle it this year itll be 5 out of the last 6 titles for City. 

Agreed, it’s not healthy wherever it occurs - though the big difference is that if this was Germany, Man City would be signing the best players in Arsenal’s side this summer and sticking them on the bench

[joeyt]

Conte gone

[joeyt]

 

 

 

[joeyt]

Cristian Stellini will take the team as Acting Head Coach for the remainder of the season, along with Ryan Mason as Assistant Head Coach.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

He'll be sitting quaffing red wine laughing his tits off. 

[toon25]

Lol

[FloydianMag]

SSN: Conte gone at Spurs

[Pilko]

Probably doesn't help us tbh, chance is with him gone they have the new manager bounce that every team other than us seems to immediately receive upon making a change.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

More like Gonte

[Sima]

Nagelsmann has just fallen into their lap.  They’d have been daft not to act now.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Sima

[Anderson]

Eh? Thought he went about a week ago.