Guest firetotheworks Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The one thing that I would say is that it's hard to see where they'll get the points from. Earlier in the season when Palace were rock bottom it was pretty easy to see where they could improve and pick up points because they were adrift despite their quality whereas Sunderland seem to in contention despite their lack of quality. They're very lucky to be only a win or two away from safety because they're absolutely lifting in just about every department, I can hardly believe that they're not bottom by miles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Don't really understand anyone saying they're doomed or will be if they lose game x and another team wins game y. I know they're shite but they're currently just 3 points adrift with 14 games remaining. You couldn't even count them out in that situation with a handful of games left. A team down there just picking up 2 or 3 wins can completely change the picture. Yeah I am totally of this view too. Seen these do it too often in the Prem - other teams have failed to capitalise on their shite form so far for it to have consigned them to League One. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Don't really understand anyone saying they're doomed or will be if they lose game x and another team wins game y. I know they're shite but they're currently just 3 points adrift with 14 games remaining. You couldn't even count them out in that situation with a handful of games left. A team down there just picking up 2 or 3 wins can completely change the picture. Think your last sentence nails the crux of their problem tbh. Knew someone would say that but you hear the same thing every single year about teams at the bottom, then plenty of teams do pick up a few wins to pull themselves out of the mess they're in, then those same people seem to forget it happens regularly. If they were 8-10 points adrift at this stage I'd agree they were fucked, as it stands they've still got a decent chance of staying up. It’s usually the result of a mangerial change though, which the mackems dont have the option of. It’s not just the players that are on a downer, the whole club is absolutely toxic at the minute. Even one win doesn’t lift the mood and that’s why they cant string a couple of results together. Whilst none of the others who they are battling with are in that situation. I wouldn’t say they have a decent chance of staying up at all, other than Burton they look much more likely to drop than any of the others. As you say, 2 or 3 wins in a row can change everything - but what makes the mackems more likely to get those 2 or 3 wins than any of the other teams down there? Their squad is just as bad, their fans hate them, their owner hates them, they are demoralised and have a manager with a questionnable record during poor runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Don't really understand anyone saying they're doomed or will be if they lose game x and another team wins game y. I know they're shite but they're currently just 3 points adrift with 14 games remaining. You couldn't even count them out in that situation with a handful of games left. A team down there just picking up 2 or 3 wins can completely change the picture. Think your last sentence nails the crux of their problem tbh. Knew someone would say that but you hear the same thing every single year about teams at the bottom, then plenty of teams do pick up a few wins to pull themselves out of the mess they're in, then those same people seem to forget it happens regularly. If they were 8-10 points adrift at this stage I'd agree they were fucked, as it stands they've still got a decent chance of staying up. It’s usually the result of a mangerial change though, which the mackems dont have the option of. It’s not just the players that are on a downer, the whole club is absolutely toxic at the minute. Even one win doesn’t lift the mood and that’s why they cant string a couple of results together. Whilst none of the others who they are battling with are in that situation. I wouldn’t say they have a decent chance of staying up at all, other than Burton they look much more likely to drop than any of the others. As you say, 2 or 3 wins in a row can change everything - but what makes the mackems more likely to get those 2 or 3 wins than any of the other teams down there? Their squad is just as bad, their fans hate them, their owner hates them, they are demoralised and have a manager with a questionnable record during poor runs. Tbh I'm not commenting on the likelihood of it as such, more that saying they're doomed in this situation is nonsense. They need to be 5-6 points better off than a handful of utterly shite teams above them between now and the end of the season. It's not the challenge of the century or anything given that there's almost a third of the season left, it can definitely be done quite easily. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It's a bit like the PL in some respects, that it's too tight to call who will go down. They don't have the sheer number of teams still in it like we do but you could pick any 3 from the 6 or 7 teams down there. One thing is in their favour this year, the points total that they need to hit is probably closer to the 41 points achieved by the third bottom team in 2014/15 than the 51 achieved last year by Blackburn (3rd bottom). But since they've only gotten 26 points from 34 games, achieving an average of one point per game (a target they've not managed to achieve in the last two years) only gets them to 40, that won't be enough. I think the average points to stay up is in the upper 40's, lets say 46 points is the target this year, that's 20 points from 14 games, for a team so bereft of confidence and quality that's a massive ask. They can still get out of it, and for sure they have some history of doing so in the PL at least, but that squad and manager really will have to produce an amazing turnaround in form, even though they are only 3 points from safety they just look shot to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Don't really understand anyone saying they're doomed or will be if they lose game x and another team wins game y. I know they're shite but they're currently just 3 points adrift with 14 games remaining. You couldn't even count them out in that situation with a handful of games left. A team down there just picking up 2 or 3 wins can completely change the picture. Think your last sentence nails the crux of their problem tbh. Knew someone would say that but you hear the same thing every single year about teams at the bottom, then plenty of teams do pick up a few wins to pull themselves out of the mess they're in, then those same people seem to forget it happens regularly. If they were 8-10 points adrift at this stage I'd agree they were fucked, as it stands they've still got a decent chance of staying up. It’s usually the result of a mangerial change though, which the mackems dont have the option of. It’s not just the players that are on a downer, the whole club is absolutely toxic at the minute. Even one win doesn’t lift the mood and that’s why they cant string a couple of results together. Whilst none of the others who they are battling with are in that situation. I wouldn’t say they have a decent chance of staying up at all, other than Burton they look much more likely to drop than any of the others. As you say, 2 or 3 wins in a row can change everything - but what makes the mackems more likely to get those 2 or 3 wins than any of the other teams down there? Their squad is just as bad, their fans hate them, their owner hates them, they are demoralised and have a manager with a questionnable record during poor runs. I wasn't saying they'll stay up or go down like, just that they seem utterly incapable of putting anything together at all, plus they seem to have weakened themselves in the window. Anyway agree they could put something together but equally so could any other team down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is Sammy likely to start tonight against them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 william hill .........sunderland 2/7 to go down. so every chance they will , but yes they will more than likely spawn their way out of it, but they really do look terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is Sammy likely to start tonight against them? Yes. Especially if I was manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is Sammy likely to start tonight against them? A manager with common sense would start him like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Them staying up with no takeover happening would be pretty funny though. Another year of scraping around the rim of the seat whilst their stature dimishes even further sounds like it might drive a few of the knuckledraggers over the edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 The thing that suggests they'll go down is they've been down there all season, and lost their only reliable source of goals in January, so you'd argue it's unlikely they'll change form that has lasted for 32 games - as the bookies odds suggest. It's certainly not an impossibility that they'll get out of it though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I mean you have to look at the fact that Fletcher, Maja and Asoro have only scored a goal each all season. That's 3 goals in 41 cumulative appearances, and two of those are 19 year old kids. By comparison Grabban and Vaughan contributed 14 goals for them in the first half of the season. Unless somebody starts bucking the trend, or they can get more from midfield, it's hard to see where goals are going to come from to keep them up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Just realized out their current squad Lynden Gooch is their third top scorer...with 3. Not surprising, but still insanely dire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 I mean you have to look at the fact that Fletcher, Maja and Asoro have only scored a goal each all season. That's 3 goals in 41 cumulative appearances, and two of those are 19 year old kids. By comparison Grabban and Vaughan contributed 14 goals for them in the first half of the season. Unless somebody starts bucking the trend, or they can get more from midfield, it's hard to see where goals are going to come from to keep them up. They already absolutely fucking despise Fletcher too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/which-ne-club-would-be-best-value.1419275/ Also read the url before you open the following link and then try to guess the first response before you click it. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/open-letter-to-ellis-short-petition.1419257/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is Sammy likely to start tonight against them? starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/which-ne-club-would-be-best-value.1419275/ Also read the url before you open the following link and then try to guess the first response before you click it. https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/open-letter-to-ellis-short-petition.1419257/ Mag? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 5 at the back, with McNair in midfield and McGeady on the bench. They do love a defender or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Is Sammy likely to start tonight against them? starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Basically, the amount of games Asoro, Maja, Robson, Honeyman and Gooch have played this season would be akin to us suddenly throwing Barlaser, Longstaff, Roberts, Toney and Armstrong into our first team squad and making them mainstays straight away last year. To be honest the state of their centre midfield, they'd probably be doing better if they had loaned Barlaser and Longstaff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Ha'way Burlton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 Burton winning already :lol: they are bottom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It's better for us if Barnsley win though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest covmag Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 It's better for us if Barnsley win though. six n two threes tbh, if either go on a run it fucks them, being bottom though is terrible to look at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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