Sean Longstaff

[mrmojorisin75]

Best thing for both would be moving to decent champo teams imo, spend a year or two rebuilding - plenty of examples of players that get written off then come back stronger.

[Ben]

A championship club with a half decent coach could make a good midfield with both Longstaffs 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I wouldn't go to the Championship now if I was Sean, Matty maybe. Sean can play in the PL with decent coaching and a functioning system (without Shelvey) to play in.

[Smal]

I think £10m for Sean would be a good fee for us in all honesty. As much as I'd like to blame Bruce his main struggles since returning from injury aren't tactical. He is physically so much worse than he was. I can't get over how slow and immobile he is now.

[mighty__mag]

10m these days is fuck all. But when another club look at our players, I guess they'd value them similar to a squad like Burnleys 

[PlymouthGeordie]

2 hours ago, Smal said:

I think £10m for Sean would be a good fee for us in all honesty. As much as I'd like to blame Bruce his main struggles since returning from injury aren't tactical. He is physically so much worse than he was. I can't get over how slow and immobile he is now.

Completely agree.

 

Shelvey gets pelters for not being athletic enough etc but he's much more mobile than Sean.

 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by PlymouthGeordie

[TRon]

11 hours ago, et tu brute said:

I’m always a big believer that if you are a player of a good quality standard then you will still see that on a football pitch no matter who the manager is. Yes a player will perform better at more frequent levels under a better manager, but you don’t just go to a shit level of performance over a two year period under a poor manager. You still see quality players like Wilson and St Max giving high level performances under the same poor manager. If Everton or anyone else offered 10 million, personally I would bite their hand off. 

 

 

 

 

Can't really argue with that. I thought he was really something special in his first season, but now he just looks slow and heavy footed. No matter who the manager is, you should still look like you don't need an extra touch every time to control the ball. 

[Beth]

Lets be honest, both the Longstaffs cards were marked as soon as the Ritchie/Bruce bust up was leaked, as its generally assumed one of them was the source.

[Ben]

13 minutes ago, Beth said:

Lets be honest, both the Longstaffs cards were marked as soon as the Ritchie/Bruce bust up was leaked, as its generally assumed one of them was the source.

I thought it came out that is was their dad that told Hope from the Daily Mail 

[Beth]

58 minutes ago, Ben said:

I thought it came out that is was their dad that told Hope from the Daily Mail 

Ergo guilty by association......

[TRon]

19 minutes ago, Beth said:

Lets be honest, both the Longstaffs cards were marked as soon as the Ritchie/Bruce bust up was leaked, as its generally assumed one of them was the source.

 

So was Ritchie's, and he's back in the side. It's no excuse for playing badly. 

[GWN]

3 hours ago, Minhosa said:

Enough? Enough to put up with a useless cunt of a manager who's essentially taken his career backwards?

 

Enough? Enough to watch his brothers career ruined by the same bloke/club?

 

Enough? Enough to accept shite like Jeff fucking Hendrick signed and played over him?

 

Enough? Enough to have told Bruce the truth about how shite he is, only for Bruce to ostracise him AND his brother?

 

Enough? Fuck that. The bloke and his whole family have probably had just about enough already tbf.

 

he’s getting paid a lot more than you or me , playing for his hometown team so yes professionalism I’d expect at least , fight for it at least, I just don’t think he’s very good at all now, as others have said whoever the manager is .

cash out and move on 

[Beth]

59 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

So was Ritchie's, and he's back in the side. It's no excuse for playing badly. 

Of course, but its either him or a totally out of his depth Lewis as the only alternative at LWB, whereas we have plenty of spare dross to pick from in CM.

[Minhosa]

20 minutes ago, GWN said:

 

he’s getting paid a lot more than you or me , playing for his hometown team so yes professionalism I’d expect at least , fight for it at least, I just don’t think he’s very good at all now, as others have said whoever the manager is .

cash out and move on 

His wage is irrelevant tbh.

 

Also, if you read The Athletic article from this morning, you'll see he's probably vastly underpaid compared to where his salary would be elsewhere tbh. Not that it matters for the purposes of this.

 

He'd played very very well under Rafa. I have no doubt with some good injury management, rehab and proper coaching he'll get there again.

 

Hope he goes on to be a great big success elsewhere and everytime he has success he blows his cheeks out and mimics that fucking useless fat heffer in our dugout.

[GWN]

1 hour ago, Minhosa said:

His wage is irrelevant tbh.

 

Also, if you read The Athletic article from this morning, you'll see he's probably vastly underpaid compared to where his salary would be elsewhere tbh. Not that it matters for the purposes of this.

 

He'd played very very well under Rafa. I have no doubt with some good injury management, rehab and proper coaching he'll get there again.

 

Hope he goes on to be a great big success elsewhere and everytime he has success he blows his cheeks out and mimics that fucking useless fat heffer in our dugout.

Lots  of ifs , why can’t he show it here? We have GJ a great coach , if he wants it he can have it all. Obviously we disagree but as you I wish him every success, I want it here with us but I go on what my eyes can see and for us he’s very ordinary 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by GWN

[TRon]

14 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

His wage is irrelevant tbh.

 

Also, if you read The Athletic article from this morning, you'll see he's probably vastly underpaid compared to where his salary would be elsewhere tbh. Not that it matters for the purposes of this.

 

He'd played very very well under Rafa. I have no doubt with some good injury management, rehab and proper coaching he'll get there again.

 

Hope he goes on to be a great big success elsewhere and everytime he has success he blows his cheeks out and mimics that fucking useless fat heffer in our dugout.

 

I did think this as well until recently, but when he's played over the last year or so he always looks off the pace. No doubt having a good coach would help, but he's not even getting the basics right, like controlling the ball under pressure and passing it successfully. 

 

FWIW, I do hope he goes to Everton and is reborn under Rafa. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Bruce being made to look even more stupid, but I still think he needs to have shown a lot more than he has. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

3 hours ago, PlymouthGeordie said:

Completely agree.

 

Shelvey gets pelters for not being athletic enough etc but he's much more mobile than Sean.

 

 

 

 

I don't think there's anyone less mobile than Shelvey.

[Yorkie]

To think Ashley could've got tens of millions for this guy had he been nurtured properly. Instead he'll go for either ~£10millon now (which seems incredibly unlikely), or half of that in January, or nowt next summer. You can apply that to the likes of his brother, Hayden, Lascelles, Schar, and Lejeune as well. There was potentially big returns in those assets before we changed manager. 

 

He might love Bruce for doing a beautiful job of being the lightning rod whilst keeping us in the division, but he must be thick as fuck for not realising that - by putting him in charge of football operations - he's waving goodbye to the obscene fee recuperations we got for Perez and Sissoko, and to a lesser extent Wijnaldum, Mitrovic and Cabaye.

 

Almiron, Joelinton and ASM won't return anywhere near their ~£80m outlay for starters. One's progress has been horribly stilted by the manager not knowing how to use him; one was shite to begin with; and the other has timebombs for hamstrings on account of being utterly depended on by said clueless manager. As for the other investments: Lewis is shite, Krafth is shite, Wilson too old and injury prone to turn a profit. Meanwhile Fraser hasn't worked out and Hendrick is terrible. Willock's the unknown quantity but would anyone really rule out him going to shit, or even staying fit, given how much he's inevitably going to be relied upon? 

 

Their transfer policy has completely gone to the dogs since 2019 tbh. And I'm just talking financially here, don't get me started on the (talented-but-flawed) mess of an actual football team we have. Krafth at CB and Murphy at full-back ffs.

[toon25]

If you were to pick up a League 1 midfielder in his late 20s and drop him into a PL game at the first time of asking, that would be akin to the similar type of performances that this guy is consistently serving up.

 

He's just a nothing player these days.

[loki679]

Really reminded me of Colback yesterday.  He was just wandering around a small area of the midfield, passing either backwards or sideways, not showing for a pass and spending a large amount of the game with his arms outstretched appealing for god knows what.

[Kanj]

Again if you guys read the athletic article it talks about how he’s not been able to turn or release the ball as fast as he did pre injury. He was able to do a split squat for 2+ years. His injury has impacted him, and he’s not a player who seemingly can rise above the coaching and play his game. I’m sure the contract issues also are impacting his head, etc. 

 

id rather we retained our local talent via a contract extension and loan out or even better, sacking the shite manager but alas that’s not happening. 

[Yelevats]

5 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Again if you guys read the athletic article it talks about how he’s not been able to turn or release the ball as fast as he did pre injury. He was able to do a split squat for 2+ years. His injury has impacted him, and he’s not a player who seemingly can rise above the coaching and play his game. I’m sure the contract issues also are impacting his head, etc. 

 

id rather we retained our local talent via a contract extension and loan out or even better, sacking the shite manager but alas that’s not happening. 

Was it the injury or the lack of investment in our staff resource which actually impacted his level of rehab which has impaired his ability to do what he did prior? This is MA's club.

[Kanj]

2 minutes ago, Yelevats said:

Was it the injury or the lack of investment in our staff resource which actually impacted his level of rehab which has impaired his ability to do what he did prior? This is MA's club.

I am sure it’s a bit of both mate. 

[GWN]

He really looked shit when he came on 

 

£10 million? Yes please 

[Bimpy474]

8 hours ago, GWN said:

He really looked shit when he came on 

 

£10 million? Yes please 

 

If rumours are true and Rafa wants him, safe to say he isn't shit despite how he currently looks. Everyone else under Bruce looks shit.

 

In an ideal world we need to see him play for another better manager like Rafa, where he looked very good. There's a decent player there in Sean imo, but where we are as a club under Ashley, everything is shit.

 

 

Edited August 23, 2021 by Bimpy474