Eddie Howe

[SUPERTOON]

For me the next game is the first real test of him, I’m not talking about us getting a result, but he need to make changes to personnel and formation to show he is learning from our games.

 

If he persists with the 2 in the middle then we are going to be embarrassed.

[GWN]

1 hour ago, neesy111 said:

He's not young from a managerial perspective.

 

hes in his forties ffs

[Guest neesy111]

1 minute ago, GWN said:

 

hes in his forties ffs

 

I mean experience.

[Alberto2005]

1 minute ago, GWN said:

 

hes in his forties ffs

He has been managing 13 years tbf. I think people should relax though, today was very disappointing but Howe is a capable manager and given an extra 2/3 good players I'm sure we'll look good.

[GWN]

Just now, neesy111 said:

 

I mean experience.

At not a great level either mind , look where he took Bournemouth from?

[1892er]

2 hours ago, The Prophet said:

I still think the squad is capable of finishing lower midtable and has done for a number of seasons. Its just a squad that's been chronically miscoached for a number of years. Howe isn't going to fix this in a few weeks. There have been promising signs, but we are still going to put in poor performances.

 

That doesn't mean Howe is incapable of bad decisions or poor management, but its very difficult to get a good grasp of his work after a handful of games.

 

 

 

 

 

I personally think it's a squad of championship players bar one or two and the position in the table reflects that. 

 

For me Howe is trying to play a style of football that's incompatible with the players at his disposal. We've scraped previous seasons because we have played so defensively and it worked to a point until our luck ran out.

 

I like Howe though, I think with the right players he could be very good. It's just I'm not seeing where the wins are going to come from personally. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Awaymag]

Wow, 24 hours ago and Howe was god like.  One performance later and people start to question his philosophy and approach.   Tough Crowd.  I wasn't expecting a win today and I expect none in the next 3.   If I was Howe, I would go with

 

Dubs

Manquillo, Shar, Lascelles, Ferdandez, Lewis

Fraser, Hayden, Shelvey, Joelinton

Wilson,

 

I would also have Gayle start a game and rest Wilson 

 

Willock, St Max brought on as subs if we are drawing or need to get a goal back.

 

Problem Howe has is Lascelles is crap but is also the captain.  Would be a brave man to drop the captain so soon but if he does then go back to back 4.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Awaymag

[Thiago]

Honestly, give the bloke time. Anyone saying he's shite or brilliant has no real idea. 

 

He's had less than a half a dozen games and no transfer window. If we're feeling this way come April I'll start to agree.

[toon25]

1 hour ago, 1892er said:

 

I personally think it's a squad of championship players bar one or two and the position in the table reflects that. 

 

For me Howe is trying to play a style of football that's incompatible with the players at his disposal. We've scraped previous seasons because we have played so defensively and it worked to a point until our luck ran out.

 

I like Howe though, I think with the right players he could be very good. It's just I'm not seeing where the wins are going to come from personally. 

 

 

 

 

 

This is a very fair appraisal. Absolutely spot on regarding the style of football and the shit he's trying to implement it with. He's getting players to try and play higher up the pitch (although I can't say I've seen much of this) who have essentially been told to camp outside their 18 yard box for 2 years.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by toon25

[worthy]

With what we have I would love Howe to try to go for a 4-3-2-1. If we keep on using ASM on the left, stick Joelinton on the left mid to help out with his defensive incapability and we will also have the pleasure of being able to overload the opponents midfield rather than having Shelvey and Willock try to run any midfield, cause that is just not a match that is working at all.

 

[elbee909]

7 minutes ago, worthy said:

With what we have I would love Howe to try to go for a 4-3-2-1. If we keep on using ASM on the left, stick Joelinton on the left mid to help out with his defensive incapability and we will also have the pleasure of being able to overload the opponents midfield rather than having Shelvey and Willock try to run any midfield, cause that is just not a match that is working at all.

 

4-3-2-1, just in time for Christmas

[HWTL]

The football played with Bruce was terrible and so defensive it was laughable so can understand why Howe has gone with a more attacking midfield but our defence is so poor the opposition doesn't even need to play that well to score. He has a near impossible task. We desperately need a ball winner in there that can also play football, missing a winger on the right and another striker. Think we will perform much better at home but away this squad will give in to easy as soon as anything goes against us.

[elbee909]

At least, we know Howe will be properly hurting over this result. Bruce, he wouldn't care especially, it'd be 'oh what do you expect'

[Deuce]

                     Dubs

            Schar        Fede  
Manq                               Lewis

                          Hayden

             Shelvey

Big Joe                          Maxi

                   Almiron

                    Wilson

 

 

Edited December 13, 2021 by Tomato Deuce

[Raconteur]

4 minutes ago, Tomato Deuce said:

                     Dubs

            Schar        Fede  
Manq                               Lewis

                          Hayden

             Shelvey

Big Joe                          Maxi

                   Almiron

                    Wilson

 

 

 

That team at Anfield would lose eleventy nil 

[Deuce]

 There’s not an XI we could put out to avoid that.

[Zero]

Howe is gambling on the second half of the season. Such tactics are targeting to get three points from the likes of Watford Burnley etc instead of getting one point from the likes of Leicester Tottenham. You may agree or disagree with his approach but I do think he is sacrificing the whole December in order to train up our players from the very basics.

[GWN]

1 hour ago, Zero said:

Howe is gambling on the second half of the season. Such tactics are targeting to get three points from the likes of Watford Burnley etc instead of getting one point from the likes of Leicester Tottenham. You may agree or disagree with his approach but I do think he is sacrificing the whole December in order to train up our players from the very basics.

 

I have to agree with this , EH today should at least set them up for a point which was clearly on offer . Yet the players , yes the players need to look at themselves here , we know EH is trying , we know he gives everything but this lot sulk like fuck when behind . I don’t envy the task in the next 3 games , I may disappear till Jan 1st 

[Newcastle Fan]

There is doubt that many of the players are not good enough, if we are talking about Joelinton as if he's the next Rivaldo on the back of a few performances where he didn't score or assist anything it shows how far our standards have slipped, he needs to learn quick and make sure he is ready for January, the main problem is the midfield, we don't have any control of the game and are counting mostly on a ball over the top to come through or something special from Saint Maximin, yesterday we we honestly played like amateurs and a poor Leicester side won easily because they had good players in the middle of the park.

[MarkyMark]

5 hours ago, Zero said:

Howe is gambling on the second half of the season. Such tactics are targeting to get three points from the likes of Watford Burnley etc instead of getting one point from the likes of Leicester Tottenham. You may agree or disagree with his approach but I do think he is sacrificing the whole December in order to train up our players from the very basics.

I’ve some sympathy for this take - and the number of times I read that we need ‘champions league’ form to survive after December is irritating; it assumes that we need 40 points.  We don’t; we need more than three other teams, and that is likely to be low-30s.  34 is probably enough; 36 definitely.  If we can get to January on, say, 15 points (a big ask), then we would only need a point a game to get to 34, or 1.1 to get to 36.   1.1 points per game is a 42-point season.  Hardly requires us to pull up many trees going forward.  This assumes, of course, that Watford, Burnley and Norwich don’t suddenly start tearing teams apart between now and Jan.  I’m willing to bet that they won’t b

[Holmesy]

6 hours ago, ManDoon said:

If he goes willock/Shelvey at Liverpool we are gonna get bummed. 

If he goes with anyone at Liverpool we’re going to get bummed! 

[Dandy Don]

Yes he did well at Bournemouth, but quite a few have taken teams up and then bang...His time at Burnley was poor(maybe circumstances).

Personally think he is a tad overrated,and wouldn't have been my choice.

But beggars can't be choosers,and I wish him well,but don't think the transfer market will make much difference to be honest.

 

[Lush Vlad]

I know it’s not always fair to look at records with other clubs. As circumstances will be different, with different players. But didn’t he have a really bad away record at Bournemouth? 
 

Admittedly it is still early days for him and we have played Arsenal and Leicester in his two away games. But both have been pretty crap. I mean it’s been crap for ages, so I guess not much has changed there. But we are going to need a good few away wins to get us to safety. So Everton and Southampton away now look massively important, the same as the Norwich and Burnley games.  
 

Still really like him and given time. I think he’ll do well here. Even if we go down. 

[STM]

Something not right in the balance. We lacked some threat on the counter and were not making the right decisions in the final third.

 

ASM has become a liability, despite being the one player who can unlock a defence.

 

I said before the game we should have gone 343, with Fernandes coming in. We would have had better balance.

[Yorkie]

The whole team was totally dysfunctional yesterday. No real rhythm or strategy to our attacks, gaping holes in the midfield, no defined gameplan in terms of how to get the ball forward or how we should press when out of possession. The defence was all over the place and the eleven who finished the game was a total mish-mash. It was an absolute car-crash tbh, which is why I think you're pretty much blaming symptoms if you criticise any one player. Of course, individual errors deserve flack but I don't think anyone - eg ASM - really let us down in particular; it was all one big shitshow and I couldn't see how anyone was expected to really perform, when the system was non-existent and no one played well individually. 

 

Christ knows what went wrong because we started the game brightly and they looked nervous. But as soon as our very early momentum dissipated we were out of the game completely in any meaningful sense. 

 

Really worrying performance tbh and it goes without saying that we're going to get absolutely annihilated in the next two unless there are significant improvements to literally every aspect of our play.