Eddie Howe

[Fantail Breeze]

Just now, TRon said:

 

Or more accurately, where are the players who can implement them? That is Howe's challenge, because he was shown quite categorically that the team he picked today can't be trusted to do it. 

 

He has been shown that in every match since he’s been here, but he’s not changing it.

[Khalidao]

Embarrassing performance and result tbh.

 

The squad is filled with championship-material players but a good manager would stop being super friendly with the players the way Howe is kind of doing right now. Players need to pay for their stupid mistakes and/or lack of effort. Someone like Lascelles should be benched and stripped of his captaincy as one example. There's no time to care for a shitty player feelings when the team is fighting relegation and the new owners are more than capable of replacing every one of them in the next window. Man management skills aren't as effective when you're in real crisis, real change and discipline are.

[TRon]

Just now, Fantail Breeze said:

 

He has been shown that in every match since he’s been here, but he’s not changing it.

 

He got 4 points from the last two games tbf, one of them played with 10 men. But this has to be a wake up call. 

[TRon]

2 minutes ago, HTT II said:

If we don’t have the players which we clearly don’t, he has to try and get something going with what he has until he can bring in new players.

 

Agree. Even with the relatively decent couple of results recently, the football has been patchy at best. We look confused and lacking in direction. 

[Guest HTT II]

Just now, ManDoon said:

I really like Howe, and on the whole idealistic managers are something i support. But he simply has to change this formation, we can not play two in midfield, we don't have the personell.

He needs to be tough and I say that with his own ideals and thoughts, if you have to ditch them, do so, we can’t afford to keep trying and trying whatever it is he wants to do with the shit players we have and not in the time it takes either. 

[54]

Just had the sudden realization that the CM partnership everyone wants was out partnership in the Championship, thats so depressing man  

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

 

He got 4 points from the last two games tbf, one of them played with 10 men. But this has to be a wake up call. 

 

4 points from Burnley and Norwich - neither game we were anywhere near secure. 
 

Would expect a few more batterings before the New Year if he persists like this.

[joeyt]

Yep especially when you look at the team that finished the game

 

Dubravka

Manq

Lascelles

Schar

Ritchie

Willock

Joelinton

Fraser

Murphy

ASM

Wilson

 

 

Barely a centre mid or a full back in sight

[Gallowgate Toon]

Hopefully, Howe is nowhere near as short-sighted or emotionally OTT as some in this thread.

 

Poor performance after a good showing. I'm not convinced about the main shape of the team - feels like 4-4-2 hybrid asks too much of these players against good sides. I thought going 3-4-3 would help us but we got absolutely whalloped when moving to it.

 

Centre mid is such a problem for us, especially against good teams. I think the best route is to pack the midfield - he used 4-3-3 at times at Bournemouth and it feels like something we need in our locker. I get the calls for Hayden but I don't think he's the answer alone, and he comes with other issues.

 

Most importantly, he needs to keep calm and analyse where things went wrong today (players seemed very, very lax after last week) without ripping it all up. Some progress has been made but we can't forget this team was absolutely tragic before him for a reason. Always loved this about Rafa - never too high, never too low.

 

He's absolutely seen the worst of this lot today so his next decisions will be really interesting.

[Chicane]

We barely even have a Colback or Anita

[Hanshithispantz]

Fucking hell just realised Jack Colback would walk into our side.

[Conjo]

1 minute ago, Hanshithispantz said:

Fucking hell just realised Jack Colback would walk into our side.

 

[KaKa]

One of the rough things about having a new manager come in is having to give him a bit of time to come to a realisation on certain players that we all know a lot about. 

 

Think today will have been a big eye opener for Howe. Really hope we see some changes to the midfield combo in particular. Not sure Lascelles will be dropped though, that one will be a problem till the summer maybe. An improvement in midfield should help the defence though and so lets see.

 

[Thumbheed]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

One of the rough things about having a new manager come in is having to give him a bit of time to come to a realisation on certain players that we all know a lot about. 

 

Think today will have been a big eye opener for Howe. Really hope we see some changes to the midfield combo in particular. Not sure Lascelles will be dropped though, that one will be a problem till the summer maybe. An improvement in midfield should help the defence though and so lets see.

 

 

What can he have learnt from today that he shouldn't have learnt already? 

[Conjo]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

One of the rough things about having a new manager come in is having to give him a bit of time to come to a realisation on certain players that we all know a lot about. 

 

Think today will have been a big eye opener for Howe. Really hope we see some changes to the midfield combo in particular. Not sure Lascelles will be dropped though, that one will be a problem till the summer maybe. An improvement in midfield should help the defence though and so lets see.

 

 

Seems like it unfortunately. He saw how much better the defence looked with Fernandes against Norwich yet reverted to Lascelles at the first opportunity unlike with f.ex Ritchie whom has been rightly kept out of the side after introducing Lewis for the first time and starting Almiron in stead of Fraser the last two matches as well & playing Schar instead of Clark.

 

[The Bonk]

13 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said:

Hopefully, Howe is nowhere near as short-sighted or emotionally OTT as some in this thread.

 

Poor performance after a good showing. I'm not convinced about the main shape of the team - feels like 4-4-2 hybrid asks too much of these players against good sides. I thought going 3-4-3 would help us but we got absolutely whalloped when moving to it.

 

Centre mid is such a problem for us, especially against good teams. I think the best route is to pack the midfield - he used 4-3-3 at times at Bournemouth and it feels like something we need in our locker. I get the calls for Hayden but I don't think he's the answer alone, and he comes with other issues.

 

Most importantly, he needs to keep calm and analyse where things went wrong today (players seemed very, very lax after last week) without ripping it all up. Some progress has been made but we can't forget this team was absolutely tragic before him for a reason. Always loved this about Rafa - never too high, never too low.

 

He's absolutely seen the worst of this lot today so his next decisions will be really interesting.

 

Hey, that's the role of supporters!   

He doesn't seem like the type to not be calculated, but there were a few players who could use a head shake today. Alternatively, this is maybe as good as they can be.  
 

Yes, this is what irked me the most, there's no urgency whatsoever on some players part and overall we look devoid of unity, belief and incapable of conforming to whatever system Howe deploys. 
 

[TRon]

I'm not even sure I'd drop Willock tbh, I'd be tempted to drop Almiron and bring in Hayden to shore up the midfield. Give Willock more licence to get forward. 

[KaKa]

9 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

 

What can he have learnt from today that he shouldn't have learnt already? 

 

Well I think Willock has been given enough of a chance now in midfield. He's giving him a run of games in there and I'm sure has tried to coach him up to do the job, but he just isn't going to get it. Sometimes a good smacking like today makes that a lot clearer I think.

 

 

[The Bonk]

Having a good manager has made it blazingly clear how shit our midfield is. Previously I blamed Bruce, but they're just not good enough sadly.

[Guest reefatoon]

12 minutes ago, TRon said:

I'm not even sure I'd drop Willock tbh, I'd be tempted to drop Almiron and bring in Hayden to shore up the midfield. Give Willock more licence to get forward. 

I always find Almiron flatters to deceive after we all clamour for him to play. Just doesn’t really do anything.

[Thumbheed]

20 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Well I think Willock has been given enough of a chance now in midfield. He's giving him a run of games in there and I'm sure has tried to coach him up to do the job, but he just isn't going to get it. Sometimes a good smacking like today makes that a lot clearer I think.

 

 

 

Oh I agree there's things to change, what I'm saying is there's been plenty of evidence in the last 5 games of what's working and what isn't.

 

I don't think I saw anything in today's game which taught me anything new that I didn't already know from what I'd seen of the prior 4, so I don't understand what Howe could have spotted today that wasn't already apparent. 

 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Thumbheed

[Minhosa]

I’m sorry like but if Bruce said this he’d be getting pelters ;

 

 

[Heron]

Just now, Minhosa said:

I’m sorry like but if Bruce said this he’d be getting pelters ;

 

 

I actually agree. Penalty changed the game. 

[Minhosa]

Same with this;

 

 

[Minhosa]

Just now, Heron said:

I actually agree. Penalty changed the game. 

Fundamentally disagree. We turned up in our pyjamas.