Eddie Howe

[duo]

Just now, Minhosa said:

Same with this;

 

 

It did to the fans Howe ?

[clintdempsey]

I agree with Howe somewhat as well. I thought we did OK on the whole for 60-65 mins. The pen (which never should have been) came at a bad time and for me their second came against the run of play when we were trying to play a bit higher up the pitch. Leicester are a better team than us, with better players (even with 7-8 of them out) and were rather clinical when given the opportunity. 

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

Fundamentally disagree. We turned up in our pyjamas. 

They were shakey at the back and we gave them concerns up until the penalty it was very much in the balance, albeit they had more of the ball and we sat deeper.

 

We were decent for a short spell in the second half at 2-0 dowb too, before we made some silly mistakes and left ourselves open to their counter attack. Was shit or bust time though. Either that or shut up shop. Think Howe needs to learn from that element today

[Minhosa]

Maybe this shit flies in Bournemouth but he’ll find the NUFC fans far more intrusive in respect of his post match comments. Today, they’re just shite imho. 
 

Like he’s convincing himself. 

[Minhosa]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

They were shakey at the back and we gave them concerns up until the penalty it was very much in the balance, albeit they had more of the ball and we sat deeper.

 

We were decent for a short spell in the second half at 2-0 dowb too, before we made some silly mistakes and left ourselves open to their counter attack. Was shit or bust time though. Either that or shut up shop. Think Howe needs to learn from that element today

I don’t think they turned up at all. Think back to when Rafa took us to better teams and shut up shop. It wasn’t pretty but there was a clear game plan. 
 

What was today’s?

[duo]

We have to remember this was a Leicester side low in confidence, missing arguably their best defender - they were there for the taking.  There was no cohesion in our play, barely put any passes together.

[The Bonk]

2 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

I’m sorry like but if Bruce said this he’d be getting pelters ;

 

 

 

The threat part......yeah no. Looking okay, yeah we did until the penalty. Came alive after it to close the half, started the second half "okay" again, then came completely undone the rest of the game. 

 

3 minutes ago, Minhosa said:

Same with this;

 

 

 

4-0, Eddie. Have a fucking go at the players for giving up, man. I'm all for positivity, but if you can't isolate weakness, address it and show improvement (even if it's losing while looking better tactically or positionally, I don't care) by saying we were terrible, don't come out with this thinly veiled nonsense, Ed. 

[clintdempsey]

3 minutes ago, clintdempsey said:

I agree with Howe somewhat as well. I thought we did OK on the whole for 60-65 mins. The pen (which never should have been) came at a bad time and for me their second came against the run of play when we were trying to play a bit higher up the pitch. Leicester are a better team than us, with better players (even with 7-8 of them out) and were rather clinical when given the opportunity. 

I will add though that we do lack urgency and aggressiveness (which I felt we had against Brentford at home but haven’t been seen since). But that is also down to the characters in the team. We need a few more annoying, bullying buggers to get a foothold in the games. Shelvey and Willock are too laid back as a midfield pairing. Lewis and Manquillo are too timid as well I feel for the fullback positions. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Krafth and Ritchie back (as useless as they are) for that reason. To add a bit of bite. Hayden will probably be in for Almiron as well and get Willock higher up the pitch. 

[hakka]

I disagree with Howe. For large parts of the game we were very ineffective, and others we were woeful. Few bit of ASM magic and the odd punt at goal wasn't us doing OK. We never really looked dangerous as a team, and we never looked comfortable with the ball in their half. 

 

I don't how much to say is on him versus the shit he has to pick from, but his centre midfield options are shocking.

[The Bonk]

1 minute ago, clintdempsey said:

I will add though that we do lack urgency and aggressiveness (which I felt we had against Brentford at home but haven’t been seen since). But that is also down to the characters in the team. We need a few more annoying, bullying buggers to get a foothold in the games. Shelvey and Willock are too laid back as a midfield pairing. Lewis and Manquillo are too timid as well I feel for the fullback positions. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Krafth and Ritchie back (as useless as they are) for that reason. To add a bit of bite. Hayden will probably be in for Almiron as well and get Willock higher up the pitch. 

 

That's what frustrates me the most with these players. They seem complacent and rather okay with being so. Fuck that, show some fight. 

[Conjo]

1 minute ago, clintdempsey said:

I will add though that we do lack urgency and aggressiveness (which I felt we had against Brentford at home but haven’t been seen since). But that is also down to the characters in the team. We need a few more annoying, bullying buggers to get a foothold in the games. Shelvey and Willock are too laid back as a midfield pairing. Lewis and Manquillo are too timid as well I feel for the fullback positions. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Krafth and Ritchie back (as useless as they are) for that reason. To add a bit of bite. Hayden will probably be in for Almiron as well and get Willock higher up the pitch. 

 please no. We look much better with fullbacks/footballers at fullback.

 

We need to see Hayden and Fernandes introduced to the starting 11 though.

[Heron]

1 minute ago, Minhosa said:

I don’t think they turned up at all. Think back to when Rafa took us to better teams and shut up shop. It wasn’t pretty but there was a clear game plan. 
 

What was today’s?

I thought we deployed a fairly high press for the first 35 minutes or so. To good effect as well, their defenders were making mistakes but we failed to capitalise.

 

The pen changed everything.

 

I think we need more Rafa than Howe at present in terms of football styles tbh, but I do think Howe will get us the points we need his way. I think has maybe just underestimated some of the players flaws on the whole. 

[Wallsendmag]

24 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

I always find Almiron flatters to deceive after we all clamour for him to play. Just doesn’t really do anything.

 

He runs around and tries hard.

[Heron]

3 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

The threat part......yeah no. Looking okay, yeah we did until the penalty. Came alive after it to close the half, started the second half "okay" again, then came completely undone the rest of the game. 

 

 

4-0, Eddie. Have a fucking go at the players for giving up, man. I'm all for positivity, but if you can't isolate weakness, address it and show improvement (even if it's losing while looking better tactically or positionally, I don't care) by saying we were terrible, don't come out with this thinly veiled nonsense, Ed. 

He doesn't need to do it publicly though... 

[WillingtonMag]

Needing Hayden in our starting 11? God just relegate us now. He is awful man.

[The Bonk]

3 minutes ago, duo said:

We have to remember this was a Leicester side low in confidence, missing arguably their best defender - they were there for the taking.  There was no cohesion in our play, barely put any passes together.

 

Zero fluidity. Out of the teams going down, we look the worst (maybe Burnley) at developing any sort of flow moving forward. No positional awareness at all.

[Heron]

5 minutes ago, hakka said:

I disagree with Howe. For large parts of the game we were very ineffective, and others we were woeful. Few bit of ASM magic and the odd punt at goal wasn't us doing OK. We never really looked dangerous as a team, and we never looked comfortable with the ball in their half. 

 

I don't how much to say is on him versus the shit he has to pick from, but his centre midfield options are shocking.

Agree on the end bit about our midfield.

 

Think ASM is flattering to deceive as much as Almiron as others mention tbh. His trickery is fantastic but he rarely gets anything out of it and at times, was a sheer luxury today, a luxury we cannot afford at present. 

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Heron

[Amir_9]

3 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Needing Hayden in our starting 11? God just relegate us now. He is awful man.

 

Give him a month of underwhelming games and maybe a standard Hayden red card and people will be saying we need Willock back in the first 11

 

The fact of the matter is these are shit and there's only so many seasons you can play Russian roulette with them until shit blows in your face. This season is looking like it just might be it.

 

 

Edited December 12, 2021 by Amir_9

[The Bonk]

1 minute ago, Heron said:

He doesn't need to do it publicly though... 

 

Why not? Have some honest constructive criticism publicly. Not lambasting players who are clearly not good enough. Anyways, could just be Ryder's choice quotes, but I'd rather see something like "I expected more effort and adoption of systems we've been working on in training, that didn't happen today and I will revaluate our approach based on todays result".

 

 

[duo]

2 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

Zero fluidity. Out of the teams going down, we look the worst (maybe Burnley) at developing any sort of flow moving forward. No positional awareness at all.

I struggled to see what our tactics are - we just don't seem to play as a team.  It's either lump it forward to Wilson or give it to ASM in the hope he does something.  I struggle to see what he has changed, other than give JL some confidence.

[Conjo]

Hope Howe identifies and addresses the lack of team work/work ethic the coming week. Two stand out situations for me were Almiron battling for possession against 3 Leicester players around their own corner flag, and Lewis the same on opposite side at Leicesters other corner flag. It seemed like the team was simply assuming they would lose the ball immediately, and was just bracing themselves to defend rather that fighting for the ball in a dangerous area.

 

It was similar type of ball watching as when ASM is in dribble mode and everyone remaining stationary instead of working for better positions to receive the ball or attacking open areas left behind when Leicester commits several players to stop ASM.

[clintdempsey]

6 minutes ago, Conjo said:

 please no. We look much better with fullbacks/footballers at fullback.

 

We need to see Hayden and Fernandes introduced to the starting 11 though.

Oh, I completely agree. I don’t ever want to see Krafth again (for NUFC or Sweden) for example ?. Lewis was OK today I thought but Manq was as bad as Ritchie’s been. Alarmingly I thought Schär was piss poor as well which coupled with Lascelles usual self wasn’t very good. 

[Heron]

2 minutes ago, The Bonk said:

 

Why not? Have some honest constructive criticism publicly. Not lambasting players who are clearly not good enough. Anyways, could just be Ryder's choice quotes, but I'd rather see something like "I expected more effort and adoption of systems we've been working on in training, that didn't happen today and I will revaluate our approach based on todays result".

 

 

Because we need to be pulling together at present. Saying those comments allows the media an entry to probe and make suggestions all isn't well in the camp, etc.

 

I agree, some times there needs to be a hardline approach but this is whatvhe has to deal with until January, and we have some very, very difficult games coming up, I thibk it's best to maintain what unity is there and save the arse kickings for the games where we absolutely should win and don't. 

[Conjo]

2 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Willock has created ZERO chances this season accorfing to inSTAT that's really really bad.

 

That can't be true, can it? I have a vivid memory (granted, my memory can fail me) of him advancing down left hand side, dribbling off two players and putting in a cross against Norwich. I can't remember the outcome of that play, but would that not count if f.ex a Norwich player got to the ball first?

[WillingtonMag]

Would put Joelinton in midfield and bring Fraser in.