Ronaldo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Longstaff has no business being a regular starter for a team with top 4 aspirations mind. They really need to address that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Longstaff has no business being a regular starter for a team with top 4 aspirations mind. They really need to address that. Yeah I see Longstaff as a come on when we need to see leads out. For his defensive work and workrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Longstaffe and Joelinton get through an amazing amount of work but sadly they both spurn some really good chances. Compare them to Man Uniteds Fernandez. We do well with the squad we have that's for sure and we are only in our first year of rebuilding so it will take time. Finding players who you would like to sign is not easy. The selling clubs need to be willing to sell also so it's not just about the money. Big money has been paid by clubs on players who just never made the cut and there are plenty of examples at Man U, Liverpool, Everton etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzzyIsak Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Longstaff has no business being a regular starter for a team with top 4 aspirations mind. They really need to address that. He's only playing because Shelvey is injured, that's the reality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 23 minutes ago, Interpolic said: Other than Burn playing the whole season ahead of Targett, the biggest surprise in team selection for me at this stage is Longstaff playing every single game. Not that I'm slagging off Longstaff who does a vital amount of running and dirty work for the side. However I'd like to see a midfield of Bruno-Joelinton-Willock at some point, to open up another space in the front 3 for ASM or Isak. Do we think Howe is worried there isn't enough balance in that midfield three? Could it work alright? Obviously ASM or Isak will cover less defensively than Almiron/Joelinton do when they're the wingers. I think because Bruno likes to push on a fair bit more than a traditional 6 you need a more defensive minded player in the three alongside him like Longstaff. He does the job of covering for Trippier quite a bit too allowing him to bomb on, similar to how Liverpool used to use Henderson to drop in and cover for Trent. I think we'll be looking to sign a 6 and move Bruno into the Longstaff position personally. I reckon that would give the best balance with either of the Joe's on the left of the three depending on the opposition. I ri think Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 31 minutes ago, IzzyIsak said: He's only playing because Shelvey is injured, that's the reality. Do you think Shelvey would play as well as Bruno? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Do you think Shelvey would play as well as Bruno? Are you asking would Shelveys performances be as good as Brunos, or would Shelvey start alongside Bruno? If the latter then yeah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Are you asking would Shelveys performances be as good as Brunos, or would Shelvey start alongside Bruno? If the latter then yeah Yep, that’s what I meant. Not sure myself that is the reason Longstaff is playing. I wouldn’t mind seeing how Shelvey and Bruno might work—assume Bruno would move to 8 role— for a few games at least, but guessing JJ is seen now as cover for Bruno in the main. Edited January 22, 2023 by Coffee_Johnny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Coffee_Johnny said: Yep, that’s what I meant. Not sure myself, wouldn’t mind seeing how that might work—assume Bruno would move to 8 role— for a few games at least, but assumed JJ is seen now as cover for Bruno in the main. Joelinton, Shelvey and Bruno was our midfield 3 last season when available IIRC. Shelvey sat deep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzzyIsak Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 21 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Do you think Shelvey would play as well as Bruno? Yes. He already was, Shelvey Bruno Joelinton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 9 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Joelinton, Shelvey and Bruno was our midfield 3 last season when available IIRC. Shelvey sat deep You’re bang on. They’ve played more together than I recalled, 13 games. Two this season (Southampton away win and Palace 3rd round cup win). Interesting looking at who he’s played with and who has played with who! https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/jonjo-shelvey/gemeinsamespiele/spieler/71292 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawalls Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: Longstaff has no business being a regular starter for a team with top 4 aspirations mind. They really need to address that. I’m sure my wife thinks he’s called fucksake longstaff as that’s all I seem to shout when we’re on Tv Edited January 22, 2023 by Gawalls Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: Longstaff has no business being a regular starter for a team with top 4 aspirations mind. They really need to address that. Do we think if an offer came in this window we would accept ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 41 minutes ago, wyn davies said: Do we think if an offer came in this window we would accept ? No, we don't have enough midfielders as it is. Unless you get a silly offer, 25M+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I’d say Longstaff is in the top 3 players most likely to still be here in three seasons time. He won’t be a starter, but he will be here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 That makes little sense. We've only just signed Bruno, Botman, Isak, Pope. That's 4 already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cubaricho Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Jaqen said: I think because Bruno likes to push on a fair bit more than a traditional 6 you need a more defensive minded player in the three alongside him This is a myth that keeps getting peddled on this forum. The elusive DM that’s the missing cog, that will unleash the “real” Bruno. The reality is that our style of play doesn’t require a more defensive minded player in the middle of the park. We keep possession by pressing and recycling better and faster than almost any other club in the PL. Every one of our midfielders has legs and cleans up their area of the pitch with ease, a traditional DM or more defensive minded player will bring nothing to our set up and, I believe, actually hinder the way we are playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, cubaricho said: This is a myth that keeps getting peddled on this forum. The elusive DM that’s the missing cog, that will unleash the “real” Bruno. The reality is that our style of play doesn’t require a more defensive minded player in the middle of the park. We keep possession by pressing and recycling better and faster than almost any other club in the PL. Every one of our midfielders has legs and cleans up their area of the pitch with ease, a traditional DM or more defensive minded player will bring nothing to our set up and, I believe, actually hinder the way we are playing. I’d prefer another Bruno, and the fluid flexible midfield it would offer, but I’d take that Alvarez dude from Ajax in a heart beat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, cubaricho said: This is a myth that keeps getting peddled on this forum. The elusive DM that’s the missing cog, that will unleash the “real” Bruno. The reality is that our style of play doesn’t require a more defensive minded player in the middle of the park. We keep possession by pressing and recycling better and faster than almost any other club in the PL. Every one of our midfielders has legs and cleans up their area of the pitch with ease, a traditional DM or more defensive minded player will bring nothing to our set up and, I believe, actually hinder the way we are playing. Yep, I'm OK with signing a "DM" to let Bruno play further forward but if we do that the player should be someone who is comparable to Bruno in the way they play. It's not really a defensive player in our system as a lot of what we want from that role is someone who can break the press when we're trying to play it out from the back and someone who can pick a pass in opposition territory when possession is recycled back to them. Bruno is great as he can continue to play that role as we've seen this year if we went for someone more attack minded but he could be pushed further forward if we went for a deep lying playmaker. Personally lean towards leaving him in the position he's played this year and signing someone like Maddison. Would be a great mixture of players having a Joelinton, Bruno and Maddison midfield trio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Rather get a 10 or player capable of unlocking defence then a DM type Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Howe pretty much confirmed in his post game press conference yesterday that he's looking for ONE player. Personally think it'll be a versatile forward / attack minded player, someone who can play across the front or at number 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 34 minutes ago, cubaricho said: This is a myth that keeps getting peddled on this forum. The elusive DM that’s the missing cog, that will unleash the “real” Bruno. The reality is that our style of play doesn’t require a more defensive minded player in the middle of the park. We keep possession by pressing and recycling better and faster than almost any other club in the PL. Every one of our midfielders has legs and cleans up their area of the pitch with ease, a traditional DM or more defensive minded player will bring nothing to our set up and, I believe, actually hinder the way we are playing. Eh? We are clearly playing with a more defensive midfielder now though? Longstaff is essentially playing that role from RCM we've been more or less playing with a lobsided double pivot with him and Bruno for a while now and letting the two Joe's interchange in the left. We need quality on the ball more than anything in the midfield. A ball playing CM with Bruno to the side doesn't make us worse IMO. Put a Rodri or someone in there and Longstaff dropped and we are miles better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 A good egg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The only thing I worry about with Howe is the sheer amount of football he consumes. It’s his best trait but I just desperately hope it doesn’t burn him out. That high performance podcast made me a bit scared that he doesn’t seem to enjoy things at all in the moment but maybe many great coaches are like that because they’re perfectionists and always know there are things that need to improve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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