More transfer rumours

[kingxlnc]

Ok seeing Almiron just blow all the budget on Osimhen and we can delay the RW for now   

[relámpago blanco]

48 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

I don’t disagree with that - I think @middsis articulating the point I’m trying to make much better (and obviously upsetting less people).

 

We won’t move up the league consistently with this strategy that isn’t in line with their voice notes.

 

It’ll get us so far, which would probably be similar to West Ham in fighting for 4th/5th/6th but to push on beyond that we’ll need to accept we will need to move away from our self imposed wage cap and deals with as much value as possible.

 

A striker is essential this window and they cost a lot of money, it’s always an expensive position that requires a level of risk. My point being signing one is probably the difference of us getting European football or finishing midtable.

 

It’s been repeated a million times and people fail to understand. You can be delighted with our progress so far but also have a higher benchmark than finishing 14th and clear of relegation all season.

 

Absolutely from where we’ve come from that may be considered spoilt, but it’s not.

 

I’d be happy with a top half finish and a good cup run, fwiw. But if Wilson was injured for a majority of the season I think we’d struggle to achieve that. Good teams have good strikers, it’s such an important position.

I agree with all of that but based on Preseason, I think we would struggle with Wilson even if he stays fit all season.  He was unplayable against Arsenal but looks a shadow of his former self now.  Maybe Bruce's coaching has worn off.

[NWMag]

Give Almiron the RW spot and splash the budget on Paqueta 

[Nine]

We saw a similar pace transfer wise in January, obviously we were hearing that because it’s January it’s more difficult but what we’ve seen so far this window matches up pretty much. Luckily the situation isn’t as desperate as it was 6 months ago so we won’t be activating another Woods release clause and paying over the odds for someone just yet, it’s boring and people won’t want to hear this but there is a long way to go still. I still think we’ll see 3 more, ST/RW/CM. The quality is what concerns me a bit now, the later it goes on the less likely that we get our more priority targets at the top end of the shortlist, I think we’ll have to make compromises as we did with Targett/Burn/Wood. 

[Happinesstan]

2 hours ago, STM said:

Whatever sensible argument I put forward you will find a negative slant but don't worry you won't make me feel miserable. I'm buzzing at how far we have come in less than a year.

Let that sink in people.

[Skeletor]

I thought we'd cleansed the club of all the fati's after Bruce got the boot.

[toon25]

Keeping everything crossed that we bring in a couple of forwards. We're crying out for options and alternatives.

[Away Toon]

I’ve always thought our biggest problem is playing three midfield players together that compliment each other and allow us to keep possession and control games, we are definitely one short. A high class midfielder is just as important as cover for Wilson.

[Pata]

8 hours ago, Kanji said:

Krafu has tremendous levels of pace

 

I'm still scratching my head with this. He's fucking slow!

[mighty__mag]

The thing now with leaving it late in the window to bring in any type of wide or attacker, they've now missed the pre season, I'm thinking we might end up going with what we've got, and revisiting things in January should we need to, or possibly just one final loan in.

 

 

[rgk_lfc]

6 hours ago, The Prophet said:

The walking away business is from the Michael Edwards playbook. Liverpool only did it for a couple of transfer windows before clubs started to take them seriously again. The fact that we've very publicly walked away from a couple of deals has to be brinkmanship.

 

 

I don't have a lot of info about the way you do transfers, but from afar, I am seeing a lot of similarity to the way we rebuilt in the Edwards Klopp era. I will not be surprised if the playbook is the same for the most part given that Howe and Edwards are very close friends. 

 

The big part of the principle was choosing the right profile players - who can develop and be good enough to contribute in the first 11 or squad in the later stages of the CL at the right price and the right wages. Bruno, Botman, Trippier, Pope - all fall within that category. I believe that young French striker whom you targeted but signed for PSG fall within that profile. 

 

As fans it can be frustrating as we want progress now.  LFC did walk away from several deals when the purchasing clubs asking price was higher than what Edwards valued the player or when the players agent hiked up the wages. At the same time, if LFC transfer committee identified a player and the player is willing to come, they are willing to wait. Van Dijk, Konate, Keita were players whom the club chased over multiple transfer windows to get it done. 

 

With my limited to zero information about Newcastle transfers, extrapolating from how Edwards built the LFC squad, my best guess is that your transfer committee is trying their level best to sign several "Bruno, Botman" profile players at the right price and wage. By the way, it is also difficult to sign players with that profile just before the world cup as developing players who have guaranteed playing time at their current clubs generally don't want to take the risk of moving just before the world cup. 

 

[Mazzy]

1 hour ago, mighty__mag said:

The thing now with leaving it late in the window to bring in any type of wide or attacker, they've now missed the pre season, I'm thinking we might end up going with what we've got, and revisiting things in January should we need to, or possibly just one final loan in.

 

 

 

But they will have had a full (or close to full) pre-season with their current club and because most teams aren't managed by Steve Bruce their fitness I wouldn't be an issue. 

 

Tactically and personally is different ofcourse and it would've been nice to have all signings in by now but its rarely possible unless you are one of the top 5/6 clubs in Europe and even then its not a given.

[snakzz]

1 hour ago, mighty__mag said:

The thing now with leaving it late in the window to bring in any type of wide or attacker, they've now missed the pre season, I'm thinking we might end up going with what we've got, and revisiting things in January should we need to, or possibly just one final loan in.

 

 

That would be an disaster tbh. 

The team as it is now is maximum an top10 squad, and that is without injuries to any of the key players. 

 

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by snakzz

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, rgk_lfc said:

 

I don't have a lot of info about the way you do transfers, but from afar, I am seeing a lot of similarity to the way we rebuilt in the Edwards Klopp era. I will not be surprised if the playbook is the same for the most part given that Howe and Edwards are very close friends. 

 

The big part of the principle was choosing the right profile players - who can develop and be good enough to contribute in the first 11 or squad in the later stages of the CL at the right price and the right wages. Bruno, Botman, Trippier, Pope - all fall within that category. I believe that young French striker whom you targeted but signed for PSG fall within that profile. 

 

As fans it can be frustrating as we want progress now.  LFC did walk away from several deals when the purchasing clubs asking price was higher than what Edwards valued the player or when the players agent hiked up the wages. At the same time, if LFC transfer committee identified a player and the player is willing to come, they are willing to wait. Van Dijk, Konate, Keita were players whom the club chased over multiple transfer windows to get it done. 

 

With my limited to zero information about Newcastle transfers, extrapolating from how Edwards built the LFC squad, my best guess is that your transfer committee is trying their level best to sign several "Bruno, Botman" profile players at the right price and wage. By the way, it is also difficult to sign players with that profile just before the world cup as developing players who have guaranteed playing time at their current clubs generally don't want to take the risk of moving just before the world cup. 

 

 

Great insight as always. 

[toontownman]

It's a selling club window, in our case especially. All clubs want to get their business done early but it rarely works out that way, especially with flair or attacking players. If your willing to pay a bit more and give clubs what they want you can get deals done but invariably you will overpay. 

 

We are setting our stall out this window and it will dictate everything going forward. We have to be patient as it likely means as we have probably seen, we will miss out on players because we want to show clubs and agents we won't be taken for a ride or pay more. 

 

So much time left in this window. If everyone did their business early there would be not last week and deadline day madness. I am fully confident we will get another 2 if not 3 in. There will be plenty of players thrown at us, more available and loans to utilize. We will want our primary targets but I am sure there are other options too. 

[James]

Almiron is the form player right now so Howe needs to make a call on whether this can translate into PL performances.

 

if he does think that then got to go all out on a striker.

[Ikon]

Even if Miggy is on form we need a winger. Someone that is better than Fraser and especially Murphy. We need options. You know form, inconsistency, injuries, suspensions, tactical reasons and so on.

Let's not use Miggy as an excuse to not do what is absolutely necessary in this window. Winger/wide forward and backup for Wilson and i still insist on a CM of some kind. The don't all have to be 

extravagant signings, it can also be loans or whatever. But essential imo. People talk about two but i think that's faalling short. We can't sign too many players i know, but idealy i'd like even two CM.

one however is a must if we wish to have the chance of a very good season over 38 games or so. Good squad players but i think the likes of Longstaff, Shelvey and Willock are overrated on here.

All of them have good attributes but none of them are complete or quite good enough players to be starting too many games. Good enough against lesser sides aye.

 

No matter what happens im very much looking forward to the new season, don't get me wrong. I just think it could be massive if we do all we can and have a great season to give us a very very good platform 

to kick on from, never mind making others take notice and this will help us massively in attracting new players going forward. Im sure we will get the players needed tbh, it's just that i can't stop gagging about

another CM which i see as essential, even if not quite as important as a backup to Wilson and a wide player. Getting 3 more players isn't too much imo, especially since one of our signings so far has been one

that was here on loan last season. Plus one a keeper and a CB. Good signings.

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Ikon

[Hanshithispantz]

I wouldn't say any of those are overrated like. Shelvey gets shit on a lot. Willock doesn't quite look a midfielder yet I think most agree, and people are just happy Longstaff is starting to look back to his old self.

 

Longstaff and Shelver especially look like solid Premiership payers but it would be nice to bring in someone a level above, like Bruno.

[toon25]

Howe can clearly work magic with players and get them producing beyond the sum of their parts. Referring to the RW here, I think Howe can get a reasonable tune from the likes of Miggy and Fraser based on what we've seen.

 

The gaping hole, of course, is up front, where we're a Wilson muscle strain away from having one of the most inept forwards we've seen in recent times leading the line.

 

A centre forward is an absolute must imo. 

[Ikon]

Howe can clearly work magic with some players and get them to perform better, i agree 100%. Then imagine what he could actually do and achieve with with 3 good ,even better players coming in...

 

 

Edited July 27, 2022 by Ikon

[Hanshithispantz]

He basically had Wilson and Fraser like Kane and Son a few year ago 

 

Wilson 14 goals and 9 assists

 

Fraser 14 assists and 7 goals

 

I really want us to sign another 2 starters, but i'd still be exited to see how we do with this squad. I do think we've struck gold with Howe.

[gdm]

Wonder if we’ll look at a midfielder depending on how bad Shelvey injury is. 

[Doctor Zaius]

My biggest worry now is a striker. Wilson hasnt looked all that sharp in pre season.  30 year old and half of last season out. Maybe its one injury too far? 

[Ikon]

I'd be surprised, or even amazed if Fraser has that kind of season again, or even near. I don't think it's possible for him, physically. Not that you said it, i'm just saying.

[Ikon]

Wilson will be sharp when it actually starts getting serious i think. Think he is holding back now even.