r0cafella Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ChrisMcQuillan said: Dubravka Trippier Schar Burn Targett Shelvey Guimaraes Willock Fraser Wood ASM Willock grew and grew into the last game, and he needs that license to roam forward more. Tough call leaving Joelinton on the bench, but I think the balance of the team calls for it. First time in a long time that the team and formation doesn’t pick itself. No big joe is madness given his current form. Edited February 5, 2022 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 drop Joelinton?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Joelinton on current form is comfortably out best player, along with Trippier. Absolutely mental to leave him out, if he’s fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, ChrisMcQuillan said: Dubravka Trippier Schar Burn Targett Shelvey Guimaraes Willock Fraser Wood ASM Willock grew and grew into the last game, and he needs that license to roam forward more. Tough call leaving Joelinton on the bench, but I think the balance of the team calls for it. First time in a long time that the team and formation doesn’t pick itself. That's a hanging offence, no Joe?? Off to the gallows with ya! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Pretty sure it's going to be a Shelvey, Bruno, Joelinton combo to start with. Have a feeling Howe will want Bruno's ball winning ability further up the pitch, as well as his ability to pick passes. Willock to reprise role as super sub. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, relámpago blanco said: LuaLua says he should never have left and it pretty much ruined his career Good. Won’t forgive the little prick for the way he went on in the 1-1 game in 03-04. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickMack Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 hours ago, BottledDog said: Ah, to see once more through such sweet and unburdened eyes as yours. There are untold scenarios where not only do we not improve, but the suffering continues and grows. Like some fecund form of bind weed, unclean and grasping, spawned from the fetid loins of a Michael Owen or a Michael Ashley, spreading its leaden mass from Four Lane Ends to the blasted heath's of Benwell. We mew and raise a desperate cheer from the sidelines as the clouds break and your hope dances and soars towards the blue, but know in in our hearts that the storm is rising, the wings will fold, and the small songbirds body will once more be dashed upon the paving stones of Barrack Road. This is one of the best posts I’ve ever read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I think the arguments to leave Joe out are fair, because: it's pointless discussing Shelvey missing out; Longstaff presses well; and Willock - presumably/hopefully/in theory - can get forward and score goals. I don't think Joe really does either of those things. However what he does do is keep the ball extremely well. His close control and short passing is fantastic; whether he's using flair and trickery to deceive, or just using his strength and balance to hold people off, somehow the ball does just seem to stick to him. Additionally he puts himself in the right places to intercept and can also rob the ball off opponents. For those reasons I'd stick with him because I think those benefits still outweigh what Longstaff and Willock bring, not to mention their levels of performance just generally not being anywhere near as high as Joe's this season. Plus he's just fucking lush, I can't get enough of his immense turnaround, and surely we all want to see a Brazilian pair tearing it up in the middle of the park for Newcastle? Dubravka Trippier Schar Burn Targett Shelvey Bruno Joelinton Fraser ASM Wood Wouldn't be averse to Murphy having a run out ahead of Fraser mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 We were much more balanced after Joelinton went off vs Leeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, neesy111 said: We were much more balanced after Joelinton went off vs Leeds. By all accounts that's true (only caught the last 15 minutes) but I don't recall balance being an issue in previous games. Leeds play with such intensity particularly at home, that it could be have been an outlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) The problem with Joelinton is he goes everywhere, in midfield you don't want that if you want to get control of a game by keeping your shape. Can't fault his commitment etc though. Depends on the type of game as well. He should be the one that plays to link up with the striker from now on (e.g. the perez role) as our strikers look absolutely isolated in Howe's system and then drop back if needed. Edited February 5, 2022 by neesy111 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, neesy111 said: The problem with Joelinton is he goes everywhere, in midfield you don't want that if you want to get control of a game by keeping your shape. Can't fault his commitment etc though. Depends on the type of game as well. He should be the one that plays to link up with the striker from now on (e.g. the perez role) as our strikers look absolutely isolated in Howe's system and then drop back if needed. Howe said a few weeks ago that he initially saw him as a number 10 so it's not unlikely that that's what will happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 @Yorkie is there something to be said for Willock in midfield and then Joelinton in Fraser's spot in the team you posted? I remember when Joe was signed seeing people say how his best spot was probably just off a striker rather than leading the line. I know he's found form in CM but might be worth trying him in a more advanced role. Could be interesting seeing him link up with Trippier, might allow Trippier to get forward a lot more with Joe there to cover for him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, Yorkie said: I think the arguments to leave Joe out are fair, because: it's pointless discussing Shelvey missing out; Longstaff presses well; and Willock - presumably/hopefully/in theory - can get forward and score goals. I don't think Joe really does either of those things. However what he does do is keep the ball extremely well. His close control and short passing is fantastic; whether he's using flair and trickery to deceive, or just using his strength and balance to hold people off, somehow the ball does just seem to stick to him. Additionally he puts himself in the right places to intercept and can also rob the ball off opponents. For those reasons I'd stick with him because I think those benefits still outweigh what Longstaff and Willock bring, not to mention their levels of performance just generally not being anywhere near as high as Joe's this season. Plus he's just fucking lush, I can't get enough of his immense turnaround, and surely we all want to see a Brazilian pair tearing it up in the middle of the park for Newcastle? Dubravka Trippier Schar Burn Targett Shelvey Bruno Joelinton Fraser ASM Wood Wouldn't be averse to Murphy having a run out ahead of Fraser mind. Fraser has look lively and a threat but if he doesn't start scoring or getting assists I agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I think Joelinton should be our furthest back midfielder personally. There aren't many midfielders in his mould so see a lot of "he can't play here" etc but if he limits his game he has everything needed to mop up in the middle and get it to Bruno or someone else He's an absolute beast, he wins everything and reads the game well. He can pass and carry the ball well but but one he takes it past a certain point he doesn't have enough to create or score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 I would also like to see Joelinton out wide again, he looked really good in those kind of positions in the first games under Howe. I think it would allow for a better balance in midfield too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Long term, I'd like to see if Joelinton could play in a 2 with Bruno. He's never going to be a number 10, in the long term. He's not clinical enough in his passing or shooting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Barnes23 said: I would also like to see Joelinton out wide again, he looked really good in those kind of positions in the first games under Howe. I think it would allow for a better balance in midfield too. I do think this could be his best position. Either playing as a wide midfielder in a midfield 4 or playing as a wide attacker in a front 3. He can do his defensive duties and press in both of those roles and neither would really rely on him scoring. Definitely wouldn't want to use him every week as part of a 2. He does a good job in a midfield 3 though but I don't think that'll be forever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Put Murphy on the right, he’s actually got a decent cross and shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 If Shelvey is to be in the 3, it seems pointless to have him sat deepest as the weakest part of his game is tackling/breaking up the play.Joe is better suited to that role Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Dubravka Trippier Schar Burn Targett Shelvey Bruno Joelinton Willock ASM Wood Fraser does nothing. Trippier and Targett can get crosses in for Wood. Joe can play anywhere in those 6 positions and Willock/ASM can be fluid as needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Everyone seems to have Schar in the back two, but Lascelles almost certainly starts. I think we are more likely to see Burn on the bench and Schar and Lascelles to continue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Yeah it’s surprising the amount of people that would have Schar in a back 4 when he’s really not suited to anything other than being in the middle of a 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 It's because Schar in a back 4 may not be ideal, but Lascelles is a liability in general. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yassassin Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, Barnes23 said: It's because Schar in a back 4 may not be ideal, but Lascelles is a liability in general. Switzerland frequently play a back four, as recently as their draw against Italy when they qualified for the World Cup, a match that Schär playedin; I’m not convinced by the argument that he’s only suited to a back three. In fact he was our best defender v Leeds in a back four Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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