Sandro Tonali

[Fak]

4 minutes ago, Milburn said:

And failed spectacularly to build on that momentum.

 

Winning the cup should have been the launchpad. Instead it increasingly feels like it was the peak. We desperately need some good news on incoming transfers...

 

Failing to build on it doesnt mean our ambition has peaked though?

[SUPERTOON]

Not sure our ambition peaked, running the club well has been the issue.

[TRC]

14 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

We won a cup since he signed?

We won the league cup, but when he signed the documentary had just came out, Yassir was going on about being number 1. Which we all got wrapped up in even if a little skeptical. 3 years later we finished 12th and have lost 2 of our best players to bigger clubs.

 

 

[Milburn]

8 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Failing to build on it doesnt mean our ambition has peaked though?

That's fair, but from the outside there's currently a growing gap between the ambition we're told the club has and the progress we're actually seeing on the pitch and in the transfer market.

 

Right now it feels like we're entering a reset. Within the space of 10 months we've sold, or are in the process of selling, some of our best players. We missed out on our preferred replacement for Isak and during the last few days missed out on our preferred replacement for Gordon as well. That doesn't mean the club lacks ambition. But it does make it much harder to see where the project is heading.

 

Personally, I'd have included a change of manager as part of that reset as well. I'm doing my best not to let that colour every opinion I have, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't in the back of my mind. 

 

 

Edited yesterday at 18:57 by Milburn

[nufcjmc]

2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said:

Not sure our ambition peaked, running the club well has been the issue.

I think like everything its optics.

 

I want us to become better sellers, identify when to sell at peak and use this to bring us forward not sure tonali at 26 will ever be worth more than he is now should we get 90-100m

 

It's been a bad season relatively speaking , we have blown a big load of cash and that gamble has led to the need to sell.

 

Who we would like to sell isnt going to cut it but "needing" to sell a mainstay player from our starting 11 having done so already just doesn't seem a good look really especially with lack of incomings yet despite how early it is in the window.

[Kid Icarus]

We also keep losing out on players because they sign for Man City, Liverpool, PSG, Barcelona, Bayern, Man United and Chelsea, so how does that align with 'no ambition'?

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Kid Icarus

[Fak]

1 minute ago, TRC said:

We won the league cup, but when he signed the documentary had just came out, Yassir was going on about being number 1. Which we all got wrapped up in even if a little skeptical. 3 years later we finished 12th and have lost 2 of our best players to bigger clubs.

 

 

 

Yeah but I think thats down to the club being poorly ran on and off the pitch, not because our ambition has waned.

[Optimistic Nut]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

We also keep losing out on players because they sign for Man City, Liverpool, PSG, Barcelona, Man United and Chelsea, so how does that align with 'no ambition'?

 

That doesn't fit the narrative. 

[The College Dropout]

You lot think this club has a coherent strategy?

[TBG]

Yes when things are going well, no when things are going bad (lose two games in a row)

[Lush Vlad]

4 hours ago, Jaqen said:

 

So you faked bad performances in order to get a move to Spurs?

 

Oh no….

 

See ya later. 
 

S CLUB 🎶🎼

[TRC]

36 minutes ago, Fak said:

 

Yeah but I think thats down to the club being poorly ran on and off the pitch, not because our ambition has waned.

Ok then, achievable ambition. 3 years ago we had a huge positive momentum, title challengers in 3 years didn’t look a million miles away.

 

Now we look way off and a bit of a joke.

[BennyBlanco]

Has there ever been an Italian football agent who wasn’t a massive fucking parasite, grabbing cunt?

[J7]

1 hour ago, Geogaddi said:

Madness how people can't see this , he's going to Spurs for one reason and one reason only and that's 250k a week. He clearly isn't bothered about winning and challenging for titles and trophies or even playing Champions League football. 

I don’t see why they can’t start doing that to be honest. Maybe not winning the title, but Man Utd went from 16th to 3rd. They’ve got the resources and a decent manager. I’d certainly back them to win something again before us at this rate.

[500bhp]

1 hour ago, Milburn said:

That's fair, but from the outside there's currently a growing gap between the ambition we're told the club has and the progress we're actually seeing on the pitch and in the transfer market.

 

Right now it feels like we're entering a reset. Within the space of 10 months we've sold, or are in the process of selling, some of our best players. We missed out on our preferred replacement for Isak and during the last few days missed out on our preferred replacement for Gordon as well. That doesn't mean the club lacks ambition. But it does make it much harder to see where the project is heading.

 

Personally, I'd have included a change of manager as part of that reset as well. I'm doing my best not to let that colour every opinion I have, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't in the back of my mind. 

 

 

 

 

Agree with that especially the last paragraph. A truly ambitious club does not stick with a manager that's just spent over £250m and finished 12th losing 17 games including both derbies to a newly promoted side. 

 

I rate Eddie so high for the amazing times he's given us, particularly winning the cup final. That really was exceptionally and should never ever be played down. But last 2 months last season especially, we were flat as fuck and stale with no drive or pride in our play on too many occasions. We need a reset and that includes a new manager. These days 5 years as a PL manager with one club only happens with championship winning managers. 

[oldtype]

We have loads of ambition we've just not been particularly good at achieving it so far  

[ffs]

46 minutes ago, TRC said:

Ok then, achievable ambition. 3 years ago we had a huge positive momentum, title challengers in 3 years didn’t look a million miles away.

 

Now we look way off and a bit of a joke.

 

that's all true. problem was that the cartel also saw that title challengers in 3 years didn't look a million miles away. so they poached our director of football and our best players (ex Bruno), and gazumped us on all the elite players we were trying to buy. whether or not it was literally coordinated, it might as well have been.

 

  we do look way off and even a bit of a joke (altho seems harsh to laugh at the victim of this stuff).

  my barely visible silver lining of hope is that i feel like everybody at the club gets that now, and we are perhaps boxing a bit cleverer. i like hopkinson, i like wilson, the new shirt deal looks decent, i liked the signing of big ewen. 

 we aren't being allowed to do even a half-arsed version of man city, but maybe now we're at least trying to do something else. and maybe we're needing to jettison the players who came here for the original "project" as part of that.

 

 i feel like next season will probably be a good deal better than last season. but then, it bloody well should be.

[Ben]

£250k a week is canny money for a budding John McCririck

[FLUMPO235]

6 minutes ago, Ben said:

£250k a week is canny money for a budding John McCririck

Yeah but he would have picked us over Tottenham 

 

 

[Pandamninator]

15 hours ago, Stuy_O said:

He may go down the Isak route yet, if he has the gall. Imagine. 

I don't think it'll get to that.

Reading between the lines we're not totally against a sale and have set an expensive but ultimately realistic price for someone of his age, profile and contract length.  If the price is met both sides will shake hands and move on with their lives without any rancour.   

[80]

8 hours ago, Nobody said:

@80 Ball is in your court it seems. 

I'm worth it for the dressing room presence alone 

[Chris_R]

I think we should absolutely refuse to sell until a replacement is signed. 

 

Can't be having the Gordon issue where another club gazumps us on a replacement leaving us without either player and just a stack of money we can't spend.

[toon25]

So we rejected 80 million only to accept 85 from those cunts according to a couple of the days today

[Wallsendmag]

20 hours ago, Stuy_O said:

He may go down the Isak route yet, if he has the gall. Imagine. 

 

If he were to do that it would make him an even bigger cunt than Isak after the way the club stood by (and paid) him for a full year whilst he served his ban almost immediately after signing. There's another theory that he already knew this ban was incoming when he made the move but that's never been proven.

 

The big difference though is that we would probably be fairly willing sellers as long as the price is right for us. With Isak we mad it clear we didn't want to sell at any price. What would really piss me off would be if someone came in with a derogatory offer that we reject out of sight which unsettles him and then he starts to act the cunt.

 

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that he goes nowhere until his replacement is through the door.

[r0cafella]

8 minutes ago, toon25 said:

So we rejected 80 million only to accept 85 from those cunts according to a couple of the days today

Unless the source is iron clad I would ignore anything you read on x tbh.