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5 hours ago, Skeletor said:

 

I share KI's view. The transfer policy was out of step with reality. Every player is unaffordable because we value every player less than the selling club/other buying clubs do. And that's even when we move down to the tier below the elite level PL players. There does appear to be a complete lack of contingency options and we again look set to really let ourselves down in the transfer market for the fourth window in a row.

 

The club seems to get an easy ride from others based on past transfer activity, which is largely down to Amanda Staveley who isn't here anymore and no-one has filled the void she left behind with her passion, drive, energy and desire to get this club to the top. 

 

 

 

She also brought a real positivity and willingness to communicate. The silence from the club now annoys me as much as anything else.

 

That relentless optimism would be useful right now.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Fak said:

Not sure if our interest in him was ever genuine, but looks like Lucas Chevalier is off to PSG for £40m. 

 

No idea what Donnaruma is asking for if he's struggling agree terms with PSG for a new contract. 

Apparently Man City and Man Utd are in for Donnaruma.

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1 minute ago, Crimson Cardigan said:

Really? City just bought Trafford and Donnaruma’s is no good with his feet. Would make zero sense on any level.

Aye, that's what i thought. That is what the French press are saying though (probably rubbish tbh).

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Lot of hindsighters on here with regards to howe and his unrealistic targets. 

There would have been hell on we hadn't have been in for the likes of Pedro, Ekitike, Mbuemo etc.

No one was complaining at the start of the summer.

 

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7 hours ago, r0cafella said:

I've seen KI railing against the clubs need to "lowball" and I think it's a bit unfair. We aren't a cartel and obviously have a limited budget. We can't just pay what clubs are asking for. This is obviously compound by our preference to place an emphasis on buying players from the most expensive league in the world. 

 

We are in a really tricky position as a club, stuck between a rock and a hard place if you will. 

 

I think the bit in bold is more a description of part of the brief rather than an excuse for them not meeting it.

 

I've said this so many times now, but as far as I can tell there's absolutely no reason why we couldn't change tact.

 

One method might be to reduce the amount of targets we have in order to pay what's needed to get players over the line. Eg instead of lowballing for 5 players and ending up with 0, use the budget to meet the valuations on 4 players and increase the chance of actually getting 3 or 4 of them in, then go again in another window for the other players we need and either get a punt signing in the meantime or promote a player.

 

This method of slow brinkmanship seems to be applied regardless of the context. It would be fine if we were going for players that thread the eye of a needle, whereby:

 

- the selling club can afford to lose them

- they have time to get a replacement

- other clubs aren't sniffing about

- the player wants to come/has limited options 

 

and that's essentially what seems to have happened with Elanga.

 

But every other attempt seems fo have fallen down because one or more of those factors hasn't applied - in one case to the extent that we allowed a 2 year chase to fail because we waited so long that one of the factors that was always a potential threat came into play at the last minute.

 

In situations like that you would think we would think 'okay, for this reason we need to act fast, is this a priority signing? Yes, okay let's ensure we get him through the door by meeting the valuation and wages. Which signing is last priority? A top level Longstaff replacement? Okay, let's go for a 10-15m punt/promote Miley and revisit next Summer'

 

 

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8 minutes ago, huss9 said:

Lot of hindsighters on here with regards to howe and his unrealistic targets. 

There would have been hell on we hadn't have been in for the likes of Pedro, Ekitike, Mbuemo etc.

No one was complaining at the start of the summer.

 

 

To be fair there are a lot of people supporting the idea of buying within EPL AND also a lot of people against the idea, questioning why we need to change.

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42 minutes ago, huss9 said:

Lot of hindsighters on here with regards to howe and his unrealistic targets. 

There would have been hell on we hadn't have been in for the likes of Pedro, Ekitike, Mbuemo etc.

No one was complaining at the start of the summer.

 

They're not unrealistic targets, but trying to get all of our targets under valuation when other clubs are sniffing about is incredibly naive. I have no issue with Howe's targets, it's how we've gone about trying to get too many of them that's the problem, as well as the seeming lack of scope and imagination in our plan B and the snail's pace we work at.

 

 

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Just now, STM said:

If we want to improve the side instantly, just go and get Emi Martinez from Villa. It wont be the long term investments but it would be an upgrade on Pope.

Since we aren’t apparently sticking to the no douche bag policy, why not? But he is one of the most epic douche bags in sport.

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2 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

They're not unrealistic targets, but trying to get all of our targets under valuation when other clubs are sniffing about is incredibly naive. I have no issue with Howe's targets, it's how we've gone about trying to get them that's the problem, as well as the seeming lack of scope and imagination in our plan B as well and the snail's pace we work at.

 

 

 

 

They identified those players knowing full well the big clubs would be after them as well. Ambitious? Yes. Realistic? No. Unrealistic? Also no.

 

You can't go shopping in a Billionaires market with Millionaire money and come out the least bit surprised you didnt end up buying anything. 

 

The club released snippets about there not being much value abroad, and yet 3 weeks before the season is about to start it looks like that's where we'll be doing most of our business. 

 

 

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Find it odd nobody has ever gone for Patrick Schik, he always seems to be up there with the top scorers in the Bundesliga.

 

Mohamed Amoura another who can play striker and provide cover on the wing like Wissa. 

 

Media pushing Sesko, and also Samu of Porto as a main target.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

One thing is clear, Staverley had been a huge huge huge loss. Even though want really get job she got the fucking signings over the line 

 

 

 

Bring her home. Seriously though, if she was up for it I don't see why we couldn't employ her. She gets shit done.

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2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

Find it odd nobody has ever gone for Patrick Schik, he always seems to be up there with the top scorers in the Bundesliga.

 

Mohamed Amoura another who can play striker and provide cover on the wing like Wissa. 

 

Media pushing Sesko, and also Samu of Porto as a main target.

 

 

 


Think the fact he’s almost 30 now is putting people off - he’ll go to Italy 

 

You are probably better off with Wissa at a similar price - less of a risk 

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1 hour ago, huss9 said:

Lot of hindsighters on here with regards to howe and his unrealistic targets. 

There would have been hell on we hadn't have been in for the likes of Pedro, Ekitike, Mbuemo etc.

No one was complaining at the start of the summer.

 

 

To my knowledge, nobody is saying that going in for those players is a bad idea, in fact quite the opposite.

 

The issue is the tunnel vision on the miniscule list of targets, the lack of contingency plan and the slow way we operate.

 

Yes, you'll say the market is tough and PSR is bullshit. And I agree. We knew that last summer and got next to nowt done. We knew it this summer, and have still got next to nowt done. We've put all our eggs in the one tiny basket, it's failed badly, and we're now firing out bids for any Premier League striker we can think of because clearly we've almost entirely decided to write off looking overseas, possibly/probably at the behest of the manager who loves British and/or PL experienced players. Again, fine to prioritise that but the lack of contingency or ability to change direction effectively is a joke and I don't know why so many are keen to defend it.

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1 hour ago, Gh0StFaC3 said:

Plus a GK

I think we need to re-evaluate what we deem a successful window now.

 

A GK at this stage would be the cherry on top -but getting a couple of strikers (or even keeping Isak) and a CB at this point would be a success all things considered.

 

 

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