The College Dropout Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 14 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: One way of looking at it, the other being that we read into what supports our own opinions. Maybe that's what you do. I think Howe trusts Pope more than Ramsdale. Because when both are declared fit it is Pope that consistently starts. I think Howe doesn't trust Ramsey or Elanga at the moment to start to play the majority of football matches. Because both can have players in their position injured and Howe still won't start them. Both are getting less starts now than they did at the start of the season. That's not to say things can't change. With injuries and fatigue for others I expect they both start tomorrow. But unless their performances improve I can see Howe going with a back 5 to avoid playing both of them on the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) But I mean, so what? Every manager picks certain players over others every week. It's just things like "Howe considers Ramsey levels below Joelinton" that sound very silly to me. It's like we're trying to make normal team selection some kind of damning indictment on signings we aren't happy with. Edited January 27 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 17 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: But I mean, so what? Every manager picks certain players over others every week. It's just things like "Howe considers Ramsey levels below Joelinton" that sound very silly to me. It's like we're trying to make normal team selection some kind of damning indictment on signings we aren't happy with. You're not allowed to mention Lewis Hall, a 19 year old who we paid a whopping £35m for after he'd played a handful of games for Chelsea and couldn't get in Howe's side during his time on loan here. And don't mention that Sandro Tonali, who we paid £60m for, got off to a shaky start in his first few games and it looked like Howe didn't know what to do with him, then he had a year on the sidelines. Or Harvey Barnes, our top scorer this season, who was considered to be a pointless £40m signing, it looked like Howe didn't trust him and there was questions as to how he could possibly add any value to NUFC's attack. They've been £135m worth of good signings and it all went swimmingly from the moment they put pen to paper their NUFC contract. That's what happened so don't you dare suggest otherwise. Edited January 27 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 But with two of them, it was clear they were better than what was ahead of them. Hall was a better LB than Burn, but needed that development so experience got the nod till hand was forced later in season. Tonali was better than Longstaff, but then ban come in. Barnes we have got our value from the squad aspect and contribution. Ramsey / Elanga may well go down similar path to Barnes over next 3 years. But they certainly are not Hall / Tonali because it will be unanimous agreement that we have better options ahead of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 42 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: But I mean, so what? Every manager picks certain players over others every week. It's just things like "Howe considers Ramsey levels below Joelinton" that sound very silly to me. It's like we're trying to make normal team selection some kind of damning indictment on signings we aren't happy with. You said - we haven't a clue about what Howe thinks. Howe is picking football teams twice a week. He makes subs - usually the same subs. Patterns appear. It's pretty obvious what he thinks, actually. I think some fans - maybe like yourself jump to massive conclusions based on the evidence. If Howe doesn't trust a player right now, it doesn't mean he will forever not trust them. You were probably one of those writing Hall off or being in denial about where Hall stood in his first season. Edited January 27 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) My disappointment is that having spent 40m on the player, someone they clearly wanted Howe now doesn’t really seem keen to play him because he’s either not living up to expectations, not doing it in training etc. But thats also on Howe to make it work. Theyre spending top money on supposed premier league ready players who then aren’t deemed good enough to start and haven’t shown much when they play. Same with Elanga really. Edited January 27 by ExiledGeordie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 5 minutes ago, ExiledGeordie said: My disappointment is that having spent 40m on the player, someone they clearly wanted Howe now doesn’t really seem keen to play him because he’s either not living up to expectations, not doing it in training etc. But thats also on Howe to make it work. Theyre spending top money on supposed premier league ready players who then aren’t deemed good enough to start and haven’t shown much when they play. Same with Elanga really. I agree with this. It is disappointing. But he can't play them to justify their signings alone. With the injuries and fixtures piling up again both will get their chance to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Sibierski said: But with two of them, it was clear they were better than what was ahead of them. Hall was a better LB than Burn, but needed that development so experience got the nod till hand was forced later in season. Tonali was better than Longstaff, but then ban come in. Barnes we have got our value from the squad aspect and contribution. Ramsey / Elanga may well go down similar path to Barnes over next 3 years. But they certainly are not Hall / Tonali because it will be unanimous agreement that we have better options ahead of them. Lewis Hall was 19, had hardly played for Chelsea, couldn't get in the side here on loan and was costing us £35m. Plenty of people were saying he wasn't what we needed and we were daft to be paying that sort of money for him. Hall wasnt playing so it wasn't clear he was better than Burn or even Targett. He was raw potential and sometimes that doesn't become more than that (the Osula syndrome). Tonali was hailed as an example of us having our pants pulled down by Milan, because we'd given them £60m for a gambling addict who'd got off to a lacklustre start bar his opening day goal and we weren't going to see him play for a year. Being better than Longstaff isn't much of an achievement and Tonali wasn't playing so we couldn't gauge how good he would be compared to Bruno, a much better benchmark. Feelings on Barnes were "why we buying him when we've not long spent £45m on Gordon who's a decent left winger and why are we paying £40m for Barnes from a relegated side, we're being ripped off". Barnes was a bit part player and we couldn't get a sense as to whether he'd offer more than Gordon or even Miggy because Barnes was either a sub, had a knackered toe or was largely anonymous if he did start. Conclusion: Most ordinary punters knaa nowt and are too quick to judge. What will be, will be. Edited January 27 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWMag Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Been one of our brightest players this half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Silk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, NWMag said: Been one of our brightest players this half. Along with Willock which says a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casey Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 (edited) His out-of-possession positioning needs a bit of work but hopefully will come with time? In possession he's looked his best in the black & white so far. Incisive passes, keeping possession and some nice drives. Keep it up la'. Edited January 28 by Casey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Thought he was excellent first half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 He’s very good at getting the ball on the turn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 When I watch him play I think he can be the guy who takes the ball off our CBs and evade pressure. He seems to be really good at receiving it facing our goal and has some strength to go with the agility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 His best game by a country mile - shows technically he's an excellent footballer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1892er Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Sloppy at times but I think he'll come good. Definitely a player who needs a run of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 That was an unreal performance against opposition of that quality. Give him a run now, all he needs is a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Best I've seen him. Faded, but really good first 60 or so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 We have a player here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagMal Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Really good tonight, hopefully he will have a few more starts now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Played lad. Tops for 45. And held his own for the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Best game for us. Happy with him tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Hopefully the turning point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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