Skirge Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Lets hope we can bring him here ,but fighting with those blue bastards is never easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Lets hope we can bring him here ,but fighting with those blue bastards is never easy. Aye, never went well for that Gargamel fellow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest exilim Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Fact that we will never match them for they are in the champions league and we are a fringe club now. I wish we are not but we are lol. Even with the first team football crap with us, i would choose to go chelsea and try fight my place with carvalho. Well, chelsea = trophies anyways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Can someone change the title to Tuesday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto2005 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Can someone change the title to Tuesday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Lets hope we can bring him here ,but fighting with those blue bastards is never easy. Aye, never went well for that Gargamel fellow. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Are Chelsea really in for him? Are they not getting Alex for a bin lid anyway? Its not like they'd need both, Ben Haim would have to accept he'd be 4th choice, possibly 5th, he's be crazy to choose the money over that. We should be offering him £40kpw, and if that isn't good enough we should certainly look elsewhere, but i hope we do get him and SA is the deciding factor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. That's a dangerous precedent to set though imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. baring in mind bramble and boumsong both came with heft price tags and picked up a decent wage offering a free signing that knows SA so well and seems to be better than anything we have offering him 60-65pw seems fair, but we have to be careful not to clear out players and then wack the wage bill back up on little to no signings we cant buy players all on 60.000+ pw as the wage bill would be extreme Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Giving Ben Haim any more than £40k a week would be lunacy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Are Chelsea really in for him? Are they not getting Alex for a bin lid anyway? Its not like they'd need both, Ben Haim would have to accept he'd be 4th choice, possibly 5th, he's be crazy to choose the money over that. We should be offering him £40kpw, and if that isn't good enough we should certainly look elsewhere, but i hope we do get him and SA is the deciding factor. Its not like they'd need both, Ben Haim would have to accept he'd be 4th choice, possibly 5th, he's be crazy to choose the money over that. We should be offering him £40kpw, and if that isn't good enough we should certainly look elsewhere, but i hope we do get him and SA is the deciding factor. Chelsea will be competing on 4 fronts next season. Haim might reckon he'll play more than enough games to make a fatter pay cheque for a top side quite an attractive option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. No way. Give someone like Ben Haim £70k, and when we do start going for the top stars, we'll be looking at Owen-style wages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. No way. Give someone like Ben Haim £70k, and when we do start going for the top stars, we'll be looking at Owen-style wages. if they are top stars we'll be looking at owen style wages anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Fair enough, but simply good players (which is what Ben Haim is), will want crazy wages too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I hope we never have to pay a player £100,000 a week or over again once we get rid of s*** face. We should forget about Hollywood signings because they never work out for us. If Ben Haim has any desire to play football then he will come here rather than Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I hope we never have to pay a player £100,000 a week or over again once we get rid of s*** face. We should forget about Hollywood signings because they never work out for us. If Ben Haim has any desire to play football then he will come here rather than Chelsea. We will never ever win a thing if we don't get top players in eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. No way. Give someone like Ben Haim £70k, and when we do start going for the top stars, we'll be looking at Owen-style wages. You clearly have no idea where football wages are going. In the next few years for a top player your going to be looking atleast 100k+ no matter what the situation. Predictions are that withing the next 2 years we'll see the first 200k-a-week player. Wages are gonna skyrocket and simple fact is we have to pay up or lose out. We had to pay Barton 70k and even then West Ham offered 10k more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 I hope we never have to pay a player £100,000 a week or over again once we get rid of s*** face. We should forget about Hollywood signings because they never work out for us. If Ben Haim has any desire to play football then he will come here rather than Chelsea. We will never ever win a thing if we don't get top players in eventually. I'd like to think we could bring players in who could become top players here though, rather than going down the Chelsea route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Never going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. No way. Give someone like Ben Haim £70k, and when we do start going for the top stars, we'll be looking at Owen-style wages. You clearly have no idea where football wages are going. In the next few years for a top player your going to be looking atleast 100k+ no matter what the situation. Predictions are that withing the next 2 years we'll see the first 200k-a-week player. Wages are gonna skyrocket and simple fact is we have to pay up or lose out. We had to pay Barton 70k and even then West Ham offered 10k more. The same people reckoned due to the ITV digital collapse over half of league football clubs would go out of business and cease trading, about 10 did IIRC. Wages are on the up, but their forecasts are just that. IMPO we'll be waiting a lot longer for a £200kpw footballer to hit the shores, no one here is worth it, and i cant see anyone in Europe being worth it either. Messi has the potential, but will Chelsea spend over £100m to capture him, or anyone else worth £200kpw? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. No way. Give someone like Ben Haim £70k, and when we do start going for the top stars, we'll be looking at Owen-style wages. To buy a player like him (quality, young and proven in the Premiership) would normally cost at least £5 million and even £45,000 a week for three years would then take the total outlay to £11.5 million. But you think we should pass up on the player for a total outlay of £10 million?... The simple fact is you have to pay players what they're worth in the market and that changes depending on the transfer fee. If another player coming in to the club can't understand that then tell him to take a hike.. Or we could simply pay Ben Haim £50,000 a week and make up the difference in signing on fee's and or bonuses (loyalty bonus ect). My main point was that IMO he's worth spending that kind of money on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest exilim Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 If you are offering Barton 70k per week, why offer ben haim 40k? Remember owen is on 100+k wage which is absolutely crazy as well. I think that the difference in wages will unsettle the players in the club. BenHaim does have the quality but he's not even half of owen's wage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 11, 2007 Share Posted June 11, 2007 If you are offering Barton 70k per week, why offer ben haim 40k? Remember owen is on 100+k wage which is absolutely crazy as well. I think that the difference in wages will unsettle the players in the club. BenHaim does have the quality but he's not even half of owen's wage. Also don't forget that Barton is also costing us £5.5 million for the transfer fee, and Owen cost £17 million! That's £15.5 million total for Barton (if the rumoured wage is correct, which I hope it isn't since he's not close to being worth that IMO) and £31.4 million total for Owen (assuming 3 year contracts). Ben Haim for a total outlay of £10 million is a massive bargain in comparison IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 Considering its a free transfer I'd have no problem at all offering a player like Ben Haim £65,000 plus, £70,000 even. No way. Give someone like Ben Haim £70k, and when we do start going for the top stars, we'll be looking at Owen-style wages. To buy a player like him (quality, young and proven in the Premiership) would normally cost at least £5 million and even £45,000 a week for three years would then take the total outlay to £11.5 million. But you think we should pass up on the player for a total outlay of £10 million?... The simple fact is you have to pay players what they're worth in the market and that changes depending on the transfer fee. If another player coming in to the club can't understand that then tell him to take a hike.. Or we could simply pay Ben Haim £50,000 a week and make up the difference in signing on fee's and or bonuses (loyalty bonus ect). My main point was that IMO he's worth spending that kind of money on. This is the dilemma in which any ambitious football club finds itself in today - if you are to obtain the best players, you either have to pay over the odds to get them(including wages),or they will go to one of tne so-called Top 4 - we are now paying the price for 3 years of under-achievement and unporfessionalism. No top player will want to choose us over the top 4 unless they DEFINITELY need first-team football or we pay them more than the Top 4 would - in Chelsea's case, they can out-bid anyone if they want the player. They probably even have the resources to sign a player simply to stop any other club getting him.. As I said on another thread, Allardyce and Ashley face a really tough job to get this club to where it was in 2002 - the Top 4 will not surrender their little cartel easily, and that is why Ashley's emphasis on Academies is important as only players with a real attachement to the club will give their all in future.... Unfortunately, its a long-term project, and Sam has to produce results like now...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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