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arnonel

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I have 2 FFP related questions:

  1. What are implications if we break FFP? eg: If we go buy £500M in players, is the impact a transfer ban and europe ban? If so, who cares? We wont be in Europe in next 2 years, and 1 year ban wont make a dent if we stack the team up front?
  2. Maybe more realistic - but what is the implication of Loan to buy on FFP? If we loan a player for year and then buy him. Could we get more players through the door? 
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4 hours ago, arnonel said:

I have 2 FFP related questions:

  1. What are implications if we break FFP? eg: If we go buy £500M in players, is the impact a transfer ban and europe ban? If so, who cares? We wont be in Europe in next 2 years, and 1 year ban wont make a dent if we stack the team up front?
  2. Maybe more realistic - but what is the implication of Loan to buy on FFP? If we loan a player for year and then buy him. Could we get more players through the door? 

1. We could be in Europe 2023/24.

2. A loan is currently just that and the fee for that is treat just like a transfer fee but obviously smaller.

 

 

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5 hours ago, arnonel said:

I have 2 FFP related questions:

  1. What are implications if we break FFP? eg: If we go buy £500M in players, is the impact a transfer ban and europe ban? If so, who cares? We wont be in Europe in next 2 years, and 1 year ban wont make a dent if we stack the team up front?
  2. Maybe more realistic - but what is the implication of Loan to buy on FFP? If we loan a player for year and then buy him. Could we get more players through the door? 

1. There's two reasons we won't brazenly break the rules. Firstly, there could be punishments handed down by the Premier League as well as UEFA. It's not worth the risk of potentially losing out on qualification either by a points deduction from the PL or punishment from UEFA. Secondly, and I'm just guessing here, I think they want to be seen to be following the rules. We know certain powers within the PL will be watching us like a hawk, likewise UEFA who seem quite heavily influenced by Qatar.

 

2. Loan fee + wages will count towards FFP losses during the loan period, transfer fee will count towards losses from the period in which the transfer is confirmed (then amortised over the length of the player contract). It could be a way of bringing players in now then paying the transfer fee once we have an extra seasons-worth of sponsors setup. So if our commercial revenue is £10m this season, but we increase that to £50m in the next accounting period, that extra £40m could be someone like Dean Henderson (purely using him as an example because he's been talked about in the press) = the loan next season will have fairly minimal impact on FFP, then the transfer fee the following season is easily covered by additional revenue through sponsorship.

 

So, to answer your question, yes it could be a way to get more players through the door now without impacting our FFP position until later seasons.

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Hanshithispantz

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If there's more than just StatsBomb recording xG then it will likely be different for each company, as they'll be tweaking it to improve accuracy at the very least.

 

Decent little look into it here anyway.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.reddit.com/r/FantasyPL/comments/c1qkgt/i_attended_a_statsbomb_course_about_football/&ved=2ahUKEwibtefAoq35AhWbgVwKHYHFC6QQjjh6BAgVEAE&usg=AOvVaw0WoNQH8JQWK1jOtAu15JrO

 

 

 

 

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One for the older fans,

 

Which season did you enjoy the most or prefer looking back, 1992-93 or 1993-94?

 

I listened to Marc Corby and George Caulkin talk about the former and how similar it is to now but personally from the season reviews and stuff that I've watched a similar ride to the latter is all I ever want to experience really besides winning a trophy.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

One for the older fans,

 

Which season did you enjoy the most or prefer looking back, 1992-93 or 1993-94?

 

I listened to Marc Corby and George Caulkin talk about the former and how similar it is to now but personally from the season reviews and stuff that I've watched a similar ride to the latter is all I ever want to experience really besides winning a trophy.

 

 

 

92-93 for me! Both were class like!

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I'd say 93/94 because there was still a 'pinch me, I must be dreaming' feeling even though 92/93 raised expectations and the growth showed no signs of abating

Plus 92/93 we were pretty much promoted by October it felt like, whereas 93/94 just got better and better passing your expectations all the time.

Establishing ourselves August, holding our own September, top half challenge (October), top half (November), challenging for Europe (March) and Europe in the penultimate game (April)

On the other hand there seemed a slightly less frenetic style of passing in 93/94 (Liverpool h, Oldham a) as opposed to rapier stuff in my minds eye that the ground swooned over (Luton h, Bristol City)

 

Personally got to loads more away games 93/94 which may prejudice this.

 

 

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For me it was because it was my first full season following the club and it brings back so many happy memories. It started my love affair with the club, the game and an almost obsessive obsession.

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3 hours ago, HTT II said:

For me it was because it was my first full season following the club and it brings back so many happy memories. It started my love affair with the club, the game and an almost obsessive obsession.

Typical 1992er marra

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5 hours ago, HaydnNUFC said:

One for the older fans,

 

Which season did you enjoy the most or prefer looking back, 1992-93 or 1993-94?

 

I listened to Marc Corby and George Caulkin talk about the former and how similar it is to now but personally from the season reviews and stuff that I've watched a similar ride to the latter is all I ever want to experience really besides winning a trophy.

 

 

 

 

I was a kid at the time, but 93-94 definitely. 

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8 hours ago, buzza said:

Yep, think it was 93/94 with andy cole at his best and beardsley as his supporting act.

just were great to watch and were so gung-ho it was just an adrenalin rush watching them!

Me too. We just took our game to the fearsome Premiership! Nice blend of experience and youth. Local players making the step-up well and a higher finish than anybody (pretty much)  would have predicted. Beardsley coming back and having an exceptional season (aged 32?). Our third place finish, still never bettered by a promoted side. 

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Wouldn't mind a Martin Hardy Touching Distance style book on either season.

Or an N.O version of it, everyone's daft little memories of the games, KK's post match comments etc.

 

Was just writing about the first point at Man U the other day, so this is very pertinent. Am so watching tht MOFO this week.

 

 

 

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What are your guys thoughts on playing out from the back? Recently it seems that it is the starting point from goal kicks and anytime the defense are surrounded. In the 2020 Champions League final with 95 minutes on the clock and PSG trailing a goal down, the goalie played a short pass to his defender and within 15 seconds the final whistle was blown. I was flabbergasted. This meant the instruction was to play out from the back no matter what the situation. 

 

Playing out from the back is fine as long as it's an option but when it's the primary option, I do not like it. Today we saw a goal conceded from Gabriel, last week Mendy caught in two minds concedes. These are players who have to unwire their brains from everything they've been taught from childhood to play some sort of philosophical football. You see teams doing it that don't have the resources but they still do it. Are they doing it to "fit in" or do they really believe it will work? 

 

My opinion is to play to your strengths. If you have a big lump up top who can hold on to the ball like glue, hoof it up to him. If you have players who are technically sound and can hold off challenges while pinging balls across the field, play to that, but don't do what you can't do so you're not labeled archaic. 

 

I'm seeing more goals conceded from this tactic than ever before and it's doing my head in because it's totally preventable but stubborn managers and fans have pigeoned holed players into thinking there's only one way to play the game. 

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I'm pretty sure there's some deep analytics behind it. Kicking it long is basically a 50% chance of losing possession, potentially even higher depending on the players. No one notices it when you score from the possession you kept after playing it short but errors like Gabriel's are obviously really visible.

 

Re-posting from the other thread and it's a post that's worth it tbh.

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I understand that but you have the rest of the team to win the ball back. You play the ball out from the back and and you're putting all the pressure on your defenders to start the attack and at the same time keep shape and prevent a counter attack. It's absurd. And don't get me started on playing cross field passes along your own box. That should never happen. But it's happening now more than ever. 

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On 09/08/2022 at 17:48, HaydnNUFC said:

One for the older fans,

 

Which season did you enjoy the most or prefer looking back, 1992-93 or 1993-94?

 

I listened to Marc Corby and George Caulkin talk about the former and how similar it is to now but personally from the season reviews and stuff that I've watched a similar ride to the latter is all I ever want to experience really besides winning a trophy.

 

 

 

 

1992-93 . We'd escaped by the skin of our teeth the previous May.  Kevin had already had to have a bit of a tussle with the board and it kind of gets forgotten in retrospect that he was just utterly ruthless. The man was adamant that if he was going to lead Newcastle United he was doing it his way or not at all. The confidence and positivity he exuded is well documented but it was like a line had been drawn in the sand and he just demanded that this club acted and be treated like one of the great clubs in the land, and it had been soooo long since anyone had done that and for many of us never in our lifetimes. He pulled it all together by force of will and made it look effortless and in doing that pulled us into the Premier League. It was the closest thing to a magical manifestation I've ever seen and a privilege to see the black and white snowball start to roll.

 

Hardy in his book Touching Distance does as good a job of trying to encapsulate that as any journalist or author can and is a cracking (if somewhat painful) read but I truly believe that experience is unknowable unless you were part of it. That was the key thing that always got missed by the rest of the country and the supporters that never got to feel what the club was like then. YOU were part of it . YOU were it, and Kevin never let that be forgotten. He never made these incredible achievements and moments about him or the players. He made them about us.  He was and is an absolute legend and to be part of that golden era was his wonderful gift to us.    

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