littlelunchbox Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Lack of ambition? They had major debt to service due to the stadium move. Now they have their own stadium, fully paid up that they paid for themselves. In a very strong financial position for many years after Wenger left without the need for a sugar daddy. They had a choice, compete in the short term and then be riddled with debt long term when Wenger left or give up the short term with a view to a future where they can compete with the very best for long after he leaves. It was never as simple as "Spend some money Wenger you cheap asshole" and has nothing to do with ambition. Lack of ambition, yes from the manager. He knows the club was not willing to challenge for many years due to finances like you said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 He's a brilliant manager. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I'm not arguing otherwise I'm a big fan. I'm saying if anyone can criticise him of anything it can only be lack of ambition rather than being a tight rod. Under the financial constraints , 8 seasons of no trophies is down to lack of financial backing from the board not the lack of quality in the manager. That is the point I'm making. On the flip side. Can you imagine Jose mourinho working for abramovich for eight season no trophies no real financial backing, and just being there for the love of Chelsea? No. It is a bad example because Jose is a c***. But you get the idea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 They had a couple of finals tbf. They were unlucky in CL final and deserved losers in the LC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Just like with us, he falls over just before getting the big players over the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 this will be one player I'm confident he'll get over the line tho... Arsenal are monitoring Lyon midfielder Clement Grenier as Arsene Wenger keeps a close eye on the Frenchman's fitness. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 He's a brilliant manager. Not sure how anyone can argue otherwise to be honest. He spent 8 years or so in total denial about needing to spend money on a keeper or a CB which cost Arsenal trophies and made them a bit of a laughing stock instead of cemeting a real challenege to 'oil money'. He's a very good manager but he's not at the top table, or the one below that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 To have no money to spend for 8 yrs, whilst maintaining Champions League qualification, was an awesome achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 To have no money to spend for 8 yrs, whilst maintaining Champions League qualification, was an awesome achievement. Not when the opposition wasn't up to much. He's had to spend more than usual the last year or two just to keep pace. He'll be happier than most people about Suarez because that will be a huge blow to Liverpool's chances of maintaining a top 4 spot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 To have no money to spend for 8 yrs, whilst maintaining Champions League qualification, was an awesome achievement. Not when the opposition wasn't up to much. He's had to spend more than usual the last year or two just to keep pace. He'll be happier than most people about Suarez because that will be a huge blow to Liverpool's chances of maintaining a top 4 spot. What's that based on? In that time there's been Mourinho's Chelsea, Man City and Man United. Below them Liverpool, Spurs and even Villa spent shit loads more than Arsenal without ever finishing above them. Them not spending it correctly isn't a criticism to aim at Wenger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I'd be interested to see what level of success they would have had without him arriving. They'd have had more from 2005 - 2014, that's for sure. Wenger's a really good, not great, manager and often a pretty classless guy for the most part. Also can't help wondering what the general opinion of him would be had Henry gone somewhere else. For sure? [emoji3] Wenger reinvigorated Arsenal for the vast part of his first decade there. Since the Invincibles season, his sides , maybe mirroring the manager, don't seem to have the hunger. I've thought for a while he needs a change of scenery. He'd be great as our national manager imo. Agree with all this. Think he was a great manager for his first decade at Arsenal. Advanced the quality of play in the entire league too. Past decade it's hard to claim it's been that much of a successs; they've stagnated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Wenger is so the man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Really didn't wanna see Arsene Wenger casually standing around with his package on display. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Really didn't wanna see Arsene Wenger casually standing around with his package on display. http://i.imgur.com/HnjC7hN.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Rock hard abs. Impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/arsene.jpg 'Warrre is ze bitch for ze nudie dudies monsieur?' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard of Byker Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Arsene Wanger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Obscene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/478F0687581094261130832076800_150f8c373e4.3.2.mp4?versionId=OEu0VwR19AsXNgt5zeXYhlIDNhfd1XJK Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 RIP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Love a bit of Wenger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Love Wenger, clearly takes himself less seriously than some think, that giant coat for one he's Arsene Wenger and he doesn't give a fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Just out in his work gear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted July 3, 2014 Share Posted July 3, 2014 Wenger casually slipping the camera a middle finger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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