Mike Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Here's my theory: Ashley certainly did interfere with tactics and team selections when we finished fifth. Pardew won the accolades (and manager of the year), but felt he needed to do it on his own without Ashley baby-sitting him, the man of dignity that he is, and asked the owner to stop interfering. We've been s*** since then. Pardew out. Can you imagine if this is what's happened? Ashley's next move will then to be install himself as manager. Would be immense. Could Pardew Pardew himself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew Pardews himself everytime he looks in the mirror Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew has Pardewed himself numerous times! Continuously messes with lineups that have worked so well for us in the past. Going from 4-3-3 to 4-4-2. Moving Cisse from a central role to winger, as he did with Sissoko also. He's a disaster of epic proportions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Pardew has no reflection man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. If any of this was true Pardew would run straight to the LMA demanding his contract is paid up, and he'd get it. Especially with their previous concerning Keegan. He'd walk away with his ego and reputation intact, which imho is the only thing he really cares about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. If any of this was true Pardew would run straight to the LMA demanding his contract is paid up, and he'd get it. Especially with their previous concerning Keegan. He'd walk away with his ego and reputation intact, which imho is the only thing he really cares about. Bingo. Nobody can argue with that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 If pardew was on a one year rolling contract he would have been sacked this time last year, he's in a job now because it would cost too much to get rid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 If pardew was on a one year rolling contract he would have been sacked this time last year, he's in a job now because it would cost too much to get rid I think it's an eight-year rolling contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Here's my theory: Ashley certainly did interfere with tactics and team selections when we finished fifth. Pardew won the accolades (and manager of the year), but felt he needed to do it on his own without Ashley baby-sitting him, the man of dignity that he is, and asked the owner to stop interfering. We've been s*** since then. Pardew out. Can you imagine if this is what's happened? Ashley's next move will then to be install himself as manager. Would be immense. A manager who he might actually spend some money on. This could work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rent-A-Quote Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Hello all. I've followed this forum for a while and decided to register to see the protests section. I've found some of the campaigns started on this forum to be inspiring and a real antidote to the apathy pervading our support. Anyways, I figured I'd risk getting lynched and provide some balance to this thread with my nominally pro-Pardew views. To my mind a lot of the problems that Pardew is blamed for lie at Ashley's door. I get the sense there aren't any real leaders in our squad and they are a fragile bunch, particularly the french players who have just lost their figurehead. This all goes back to a few seasons ago when Ashley made a concerted effort to get rid of the likes of Harper, Nolan, Barton et al. after they disputed the squad bonuses. Employee power is not the way our owner does business, so we can't have any players who might upset the applecart. You can't blame the manager for a transfer policy he has no say in. Pardew is frequently accused of making strange tactical decisions, but I'd suggest they are strange because they are directed from above by Ashley and Charnley. Ask yourself, is Cisse being forced into the team in weird positions because the 11-12 manager of the season is tactically illiterate, or is it perhaps because the board is keen to ship him off to Russia, so cynically insists he must start to put him in the shop window. The only thing I can't get my head around is the way Ben Arfa is being treated, which is just disgraceful. Even still, I just can't bring myself to call for the head of a manager who has to work under Ashley. I wouldn't miss Pardew if he was sacked tomorrow, but I would be perfectly fine with him having another season to turn it round, especially in light of some of the better spells we have had under him. Fair play to you mate. I'm similar but I signed up to post because I'm sick of him and some of the tripe he comes out with which some fans take on board and believe. Like a few have said you're entitled to your opinion, which whilst I don't agree with you, you seem to put your views across rationally so I know there's some sense in there somewhere. I used to have the blind faith to the team but slowly, surely, like the rest of the squad I've been Pardewed. The tactical decisions bit really stuck with me like it has the rest. Like Jack Flash has said which a lot of people over look, he lucked into a formation at the end of that season. The next year all he had to do was replace Ba with a left winger/left forward and keep to that style of play. Everyone knew Ba wanted more money and if we didn't give him it he was off, the only person who held on hope to keeping him was your very own Pards. Ba is a much better all round footballer than Cisse so could play on the wing, and still contribute to the team. Cisse, is one the worst footballers I have ever seen. At his age, if he still doesn't understand the offside rule then he never will. But when he gets into positions onside the bugger can finish. Very well as we all seen to devastating effect. All he had to do was keep the same team save for replacing Ba, and a new right back and centre half were needed. Yet we bought a centre mid, who can play right back. Now I love Vurn but he wasn't what we needed at the time. Fair enough that can be put on Ashley but it didn't mean Pards , who after saying we need loads of signings at the end of that season, had to come out and lick his ring as we get one signing in the wrong position and he's happy with the squad (!) considering we had Europe coming up, it's absolute madness. But like Pards' Purples, Pards 'tactics' are set in stone. A blank one! I think you're on a wind up but if I understand it you're basically saying that it's Ashley who makes Pardew play as bad as we have been. It's Mike who makes us hit that long diagonal to Williamson on set pieces. ALL the time. Was it Einsten who said to keep doing the same thing and expecting different results is insanity? But maybe Mike has a bet on Williamson to get an assist so insists it MUST be played to him to hit across the mixer/corridor of uncertainty/second six yard box and set up a goal? Could be. What about kick offs? Why do we always surrender possession in the same way? It's got Pards written all over it that! I can sort of see logic in the Cisse shop window thing, but as he is so horrendously out of confidence he looked worse everytime he was playing. It's down to the manager, to manage his players confidence. Maybe by not howking him out onto the wing to keep Demba Ba happy as since then he's looked a shadow of himself. With the right type of service in a short passing, possesion team like a Liverpool, Everton or Southampton sort of team he would be lethal. Same as Ben Arfa. Like SEMTEX pointed out, if Mike made Cisse play then surely he would insist Ben Arfa must be played as he's coming in to the last year of his contract and if he doesn't sign then he's off so he would want the most money he could get. Just imagine how many goals we would "fretten" with our "offensif players" if we had a manager of one of those teams I just mentioned. One who used tactics and who had a style of play. Everytime Wigan played us under Martinez they always outplayed us, even if we won. Imagine what he could do with players like ours. Look, the whole world knows our transfer policy and the constraints Pards is under. At the end of the day in any job especially a management role you get the most out of what you've got. Yes we have a small squad but it's not as bad as it is made to play(by Pards or Ashley). Again, a Martinez or a Rodgers would get so much more from this squad and the budget that Mike has given him. He hasn't had as little as he would make you believe. He's wasted talents like Vurn, Mapou, who at both over 6 million aren't bad players. I'm so glad Vurn's finally getting his chance, he's always been neat and tidy, keeps possession well and runs his socks off for the shirt, but bizarrely even though sometimes when he's played well then been dropped or played out of position for one of Pards' Purples, (see Gosling lately) I'll finish this essay with a quick look at Dan Gozza, who MUST be Pards love child. But now with your angle, I'm thinking must be Ashley's. It has to be the only reason he gets a game. Contributed absolutely nothing in his whole Toon career but inexplicably, the habitually injured player at the end of his contract with no chance of re signing is getting valuable game time that other players who have a future here could find very useful. A decent manager wouldn't waste time on a player like that. Wish we had one because our substandard one wasting two, I don't what the biggest insult is to us playing Shola or Gosling. He just knows he's teflon. I hate Ashley as much as the next person but not even Pardew's clueless tactics can be blame on him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThievingMagpie Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There's a good manager in there dying to come out but I reckon he's done here, if he stays...I don't know if I can handle another season of this dross...then again I say that all the time regarding United and yet I still keep watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There is no good manager in there. Just a filthy fucking snake I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Horrible cunt couldn't manage his sock drawer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curtained Wasp Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 There's a good manager in there dying to come out He's probably p*ssed out a good few Magners. http://goodnightsam.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/CloseEnough.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Saved the Mackems for another season. Just go. Please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Wtf is all this sympathy towards pardew, we are mid table because of cabaye, it's got nowt to do with pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Wtf is all this sympathy towards pardew, we are mid table because of cabaye, it's got nowt to do with pardew As I said last year, he's totally reliant on players hitting purple patches and masking over his pathetic brand of football and tactics. It seems the players are fully against him apart from the ones he's dug out of obscurity who should be nowhere near the first team. Cockney wanker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ThievingMagpie Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Not sympathy, but I've seen what he can do at other clubs, it's not something the supporters of our club want but he does a decent enough job most places it's just he tends to fuck it all up through his own stupid bone-eyed arrogance. He has obvious limitations but let us not forget he is pretty much been hung out on a pole by himself by everyone above him to pretty much be the focus of everyone's ire. It is Ashley's fault, but I doubt we will get anyone else who is better given how hands off Ashley seems to be about running the club. I would rather deal with Pardew's headbutting, wife-fucking antics than deal with the constant negativity and capitulation we'd be hearing from the inevitable David Moyes appointment. Unfortunately, until Ashley manages to sell up, I think any manager we will get will either be horribly out of their depth, unable to work within the constraints Ashley has clearly set out or is just a huge cunt. Shearer summed up my feelings as a supporter the best, I do not expect to be in the top 3 every year, I just want to be able to dream about being able to be a bit better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Not sympathy, but I've seen what he can do at other clubs, it's not something the supporters of our club want but he does a decent enough job most places it's just he tends to fuck it all up through his own stupid bone-eyed arrogance. He has obvious limitations but let us not forget he is pretty much been hung out on a pole by himself by everyone above him to pretty much be the focus of everyone's ire. It is Ashley's fault, but I doubt we will get anyone else who is better given how hands off Ashley seems to be about running the club. I would rather deal with Pardew's headbutting, wife-fucking antics than deal with the constant negativity and capitulation we'd be hearing from the inevitable David Moyes appointment. Unfortunately, until Ashley manages to sell up, I think any manager we will get will either be horribly out of their depth, unable to work within the constraints Ashley has clearly set out or is just a huge cunt. Shearer summed up my feelings as a supporter the best, I do not expect to be in the top 3 every year, I just want to be able to dream about being able to be a bit better. What has he done at other clubs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Not sympathy, but I've seen what he can do at other clubs, it's not something the supporters of our club want but he does a decent enough job most places it's just he tends to f*** it all up through his own stupid bone-eyed arrogance. He has obvious limitations but let us not forget he is pretty much been hung out on a pole by himself by everyone above him to pretty much be the focus of everyone's ire. It is Ashley's fault, but I doubt we will get anyone else who is better given how hands off Ashley seems to be about running the club. I would rather deal with Pardew's headbutting, wife-f***ing antics than deal with the constant negativity and capitulation we'd be hearing from the inevitable David Moyes appointment. Unfortunately, until Ashley manages to sell up, I think any manager we will get will either be horribly out of their depth, unable to work within the constraints Ashley has clearly set out or is just a huge c***. Shearer summed up my feelings as a supporter the best, I do not expect to be in the top 3 every year, I just want to be able to dream about being able to be a bit better. What has he done at other clubs? Lost a cup final? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Not sympathy, but I've seen what he can do at other clubs, it's not something the supporters of our club want but he does a decent enough job most places it's just he tends to fuck it all up through his own stupid bone-eyed arrogance. He has obvious limitations but let us not forget he is pretty much been hung out on a pole by himself by everyone above him to pretty much be the focus of everyone's ire. It is Ashley's fault, but I doubt we will get anyone else who is better given how hands off Ashley seems to be about running the club. I would rather deal with Pardew's headbutting, wife-fucking antics than deal with the constant negativity and capitulation we'd be hearing from the inevitable David Moyes appointment. Unfortunately, until Ashley manages to sell up, I think any manager we will get will either be horribly out of their depth, unable to work within the constraints Ashley has clearly set out or is just a huge cunt. Shearer summed up my feelings as a supporter the best, I do not expect to be in the top 3 every year, I just want to be able to dream about being able to be a bit better. <a href="http://reactiongifs.com/?p=20362"><img src="http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/fbsmsh.gif"></a> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 I think good players work out he's not much cop as a football manager. Simple as. Said the same in my work presentation last week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 would rather deal with Pardew's headbutting, wife-fucking antics than deal with the constant negativity and capitulation we'd be hearing from the inevitable David Moyes appointment Good lord. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted May 7, 2014 Share Posted May 7, 2014 Clubs like? West Ham and Charlton? aye brill job there marra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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