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Think Ramos & Pepe are slightly under-rated. Aye both are liable for a red card but Souness the other day was talking about them both being susceptible. But for me, they are absolutely world class and allow their teams to play in any style. They don't need an excellent DM in front, both are capable of playing in a highline and just squeezing the other team and defending on the front foot. JT & Cahill get plenty of plaudits from pundits for being top defenders and they're very good but they're a level the Madrid duo. Neither is comfortable in a high line or actively pressing attackers. And they can play some - Ramos could play in midfield for most teams. He's also a true leader.

 

Pepe & Ramos can also sit deep, position themselves well, organise and head/clear everything out when needed.

 

Varane looks to have the potential to be better than both minus the red card factor.

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I think Ramos has distinctly improved in the past couple of years. In his early days at Real Madrid he was a total liability and good for a red card/mistake every other game. While he's not perfect, the advantages the team gets from his "footballing" style and playing it out from the back far outweighs the possible downside of him doing something daft. On a lesser scale I think a similar theme applies to Pepe.

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Always thought Ramos was vastly overrated and Pepe was vastly underrated (probably due to his antics) and still do quite frankly.

 

As for Varane I'm still very much on the fence, he's very talented but I have seen him have more games where he's the reason the team concede than games when he's the reason they don't.

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Have to remember Varane's only 21. While that may not be extremely young for a forward, I think it is still very young for a defender where arguably more than anywhere else on the pitch, experience is vital. He'll be mint, just learning a few lessons along the way.

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Not really the same thing. He wanted to come to us. :lol:

 

Varane is clearly more talented but Jones is already a good player and has tons of potential. Easy to forget Jones is only 22 as well since he has been around in England for a while now. I'm very happy that we have him.

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Imagine what Varane would be like now if we'd have signed him when rumoured if Pards had got his hands on him.

 

He'd be back on loan to Lens or something. :lol:

 

:lol: "not fisical enuff m8, ditund suit the English game" his career would be fucked like

 

'He's a complete freak and absolute weirdo mate.'

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Imagine what Varane would be like now if we'd have signed him when rumoured if Pards had got his hands on him.

 

He'd be back on loan to Lens or something. :lol:

 

:lol: "not fisical enuff m8, ditund suit the English game" his career would be fucked like

 

'He's a complete freak and absolute weirdo mate.'

 

:lol: I still love it how they're 2 ways of saying the same thing.

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I think Ramos has distinctly improved in the past couple of years. In his early days at Real Madrid he was a total liability and good for a red card/mistake every other game. While he's not perfect, the advantages the team gets from his "footballing" style and playing it out from the back far outweighs the possible downside of him doing something daft. On a lesser scale I think a similar theme applies to Pepe.

He's actually brilliant at defending too though and a lot is asked of him. Both of them. They can dig deep and put up the barricades. IMO both will go the way of Lucio in people's eyes in their latter years when people realise that they'll still be able to do the ugly side really well.

 

Always thought Ramos was vastly overrated and Pepe was vastly underrated (probably due to his antics) and still do quite frankly.

 

As for Varane I'm still very much on the fence, he's very talented but I have seen him have more games where he's the reason the team concede than games when he's the reason they don't.

Always thought Ramos was vastly overrated and Pepe was vastly underrated (probably due to his antics) and still do quite frankly.

 

As for Varane I'm still very much on the fence, he's very talented but I have seen him have more games where he's the reason the team concede than games when he's the reason they don't.

 

I don't see how someone who has played through the spine and consistently played well in 2 Euros, 1 world cup & 1 CL winning side can be "vastly" over rated.

 

I think being great footballers (and nutcases) has made people forget these are top, top defenders.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that Manure fans don't have a forum where they have a dedicated Newcastle United thread.

Manure fans can piss off and find their own forums.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that Manure fans don't have a forum where they have a dedicated Newcastle United thread.

Manure fans can piss off and find their own forums.

 

Redcafe has a Newcastle thread :thup: Having said that though, I find it hard to disagree given that your post is pretty much exclusively aimed at Froggy. 

 

:pilko:

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