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That's him dropped/sold. Weirdo and a f***ing freak.

 

Foreigner to boot. Doesn't understand the nature of the derby.

 

People will say that. He will be targeted for this and branded a coward and gutless, and, of course, not understanding the 'passion'.

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Why the fuck where their entire lot allowed to leave the ground without an escort?!

 

Was across the road txtin my lass to meet up next thing about 50 smashing over my direction.  Now have a broken nose and finger and got a nice kick to the head when I was on the ground.  When the police did come they had to cheek to ask if they are keeping me while those cunts ran up the road!

 

Of course it was going to be jolly and peaceful.  Had to tell the woman I fell ffs.

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless faces accepting the s*** on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless face accepting the shit on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

 

Fucking hell. :undecided:

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless face accepting the shit on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

 

 

Its a really strange phenomenon- someone clever than me on here may have a psychological term for it. But they are angry at you because you raise an issue that is too much for them to face, as it would need them to act rather than accept.

 

 

edit- Aggressive apathy :lol:

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless face accepting the s*** on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

How dare you have an opinion on football, you deserved all the stick you got.

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Turns out I posted my thoughts about today 10 months ago.

 

Here's my view of why he's so hopeless in derbies.

 

Pardew's problem in derby games is that he doesn't understand them at all. He played for and managed a succession of London teams that don't have derbies (Brighton - Crystal Palace doesn't count) - the only real derby he's had before he rocked up here was an FA Cup arse-kicking at home to Portsmouth when he was at Southampton.

 

In his attempts to "understand what it means", he tries to overcompensate and subscribes to the sort of idiotic thinking that is always wheeled out in cliches before derby games - "the form book goes out the window", "it's all about pride", all this bollocks, and he drags the game down to its basest level. Long balls, go in hard, win ugly but just win.

 

The problem with this approach is that those cliches are wheeled out by the losers. I've seen Newcastle win a lot of derbies and the ones that have been the most comfortable have never been hard fought, or a matter of us "wanting it more" - they've been us turning up, breezing through it like we're having a wander round Tesco, beating them and fucking off home. 5-1 was fantastic but think of 2-0 under Keegan (Owen brace) and Robson (Bellamy and Shearer) as two of the easiest games I have ever seen Newcastle play. If you treat the game any differently to any other, that's when you come unstuck.

 

Teams that are shit tend to treat it differently, they try and drag the game down and try not to let a game of football break out - that's what the mackems did for years, unfortunately it tends to have the reverse effect because they race round more, leave ridiculous amounts of space, end up with ten men and get beat every time. That is now us. There's been loads of comments on here in the last 24 hours about the mackems "wanting it more" - really? Ki was playing with his fucking slippers on, he never broke sweat. I never saw any evidence of that whatsoever. It's just an easy cliche for a dire performance.

 

Have Spurs got a poorer record over the last 20 years against any teams other than Arsenal or Chelsea? Even since they've been good, they still generally turn up at the Emirates and get absolutely humiliated. Have Everton won less points against anyone than they have against Liverpool? Even this season, when they go to Arsenal and play them off the park, they still got battered at Anfield. The cliches and "passion" waffle simply aren't true and never have been. The better team will win derbies far more often than statistics would suggest they should because the other team is trying too hard.

 

This is where Pardew falls flat on his face. His meticulous preparation goes out the window in the run up to derbies. Instead he has John Carver showing the players DVDs of old derbies, trying to get them psyched up, trying to get them thinking like they're about to go to war. Hardly surprising that Santon and Anita started throwing themselves into tackles that they would never normally make. The mackems went through a succession of derby red cards because they got themselves in such a ridiculous psyched state beforehand - think of Cattermole shitting himself in the tunnel on Halloween (next to Kevin Nolan looking as if he's about to take a stroll with the dog) before going through the back of Tiote within the first minute.

 

There's absolutely no way Suarez and Ozil are watching old derby DVDs before they wander out and humiliate the locals again by being better at football. I would bet my life that those games are treated exactly the same as a game against a big side - of vital importance to win, but not to be played in a different way.

 

Our players simply aren't the type that can by psyched up into a frenzy that will allow them to outfight the opposition, instead they just look dazed and confused and stop even doing the things they are good at, instead they give away daft free kicks, belt it long and end up permanently out of position. We're going into these games thinking like an underdog and ultimately looking like one.

 

Pardew made a comment last week of "the performance doesn't matter, only the result" - he couldn't be more staggeringly wrong. That is something that can only be judged after the fact. The performance is everything and the result will generally take care of itself.

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Turns out I posted my thoughts about today 10 months ago.

 

Here's my view of why he's so hopeless in derbies.

 

Pardew's problem in derby games is that he doesn't understand them at all. He played for and managed a succession of London teams that don't have derbies (Brighton - Crystal Palace doesn't count) - the only real derby he's had before he rocked up here was an FA Cup arse-kicking at home to Portsmouth when he was at Southampton.

 

In his attempts to "understand what it means", he tries to overcompensate and subscribes to the sort of idiotic thinking that is always wheeled out in cliches before derby games - "the form book goes out the window", "it's all about pride", all this bollocks, and he drags the game down to its basest level. Long balls, go in hard, win ugly but just win.

 

The problem with this approach is that those cliches are wheeled out by the losers. I've seen Newcastle win a lot of derbies and the ones that have been the most comfortable have never been hard fought, or a matter of us "wanting it more" - they've been us turning up, breezing through it like we're having a wander round Tesco, beating them and f***ing off home. 5-1 was fantastic but think of 2-0 under Keegan (Owen brace) and Robson (Bellamy and Shearer) as two of the easiest games I have ever seen Newcastle play. If you treat the game any differently to any other, that's when you come unstuck.

 

Teams that are s*** tend to treat it differently, they try and drag the game down and try not to let a game of football break out - that's what the mackems did for years, unfortunately it tends to have the reverse effect because they race round more, leave ridiculous amounts of space, end up with ten men and get beat every time. That is now us. There's been loads of comments on here in the last 24 hours about the mackems "wanting it more" - really? Ki was playing with his f***ing slippers on, he never broke sweat. I never saw any evidence of that whatsoever. It's just an easy cliche for a dire performance.

 

Have Spurs got a poorer record over the last 20 years against any teams other than Arsenal or Chelsea? Even since they've been good, they still generally turn up at the Emirates and get absolutely humiliated. Have Everton won less points against anyone than they have against Liverpool? Even this season, when they go to Arsenal and play them off the park, they still got battered at Anfield. The cliches and "passion" waffle simply aren't true and never have been. The better team will win derbies far more often than statistics would suggest they should because the other team is trying too hard.

 

This is where Pardew falls flat on his face. His meticulous preparation goes out the window in the run up to derbies. Instead he has John Carver showing the players DVDs of old derbies, trying to get them psyched up, trying to get them thinking like they're about to go to war. Hardly surprising that Santon and Anita started throwing themselves into tackles that they would never normally make. The mackems went through a succession of derby red cards because they got themselves in such a ridiculous psyched state beforehand - think of Cattermole shitting himself in the tunnel on Halloween (next to Kevin Nolan looking as if he's about to take a stroll with the dog) before going through the back of Tiote within the first minute.

 

There's absolutely no way Suarez and Ozil are watching old derby DVDs before they wander out and humiliate the locals again by being better at football. I would bet my life that those games are treated exactly the same as a game against a big side - of vital importance to win, but not to be played in a different way.

 

Our players simply aren't the type that can by psyched up into a frenzy that will allow them to outfight the opposition, instead they just look dazed and confused and stop even doing the things they are good at, instead they give away daft free kicks, belt it long and end up permanently out of position. We're going into these games thinking like an underdog and ultimately looking like one.

 

Pardew made a comment last week of "the performance doesn't matter, only the result" - he couldn't be more staggeringly wrong. That is something that can only be judged after the fact. The performance is everything and the result will generally take care of itself.

 

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless face accepting the shit on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

 

Fucking hell, thats grim as fuck.

 

It's bad and also a shining example of what some of us are fighting against. So many are happy with their lot and it's sickening. :(

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless face accepting the shit on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

 

Did you say anything back? The Hull match was unreal like. I don't understand why these dick heads just want to accept it. It's like 'It was worse in the '80s' is a fucking badge of honour for these morons.

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sheep sat around me in the milburn with their expressionless face accepting the shit on view. was all getting too much for me so I started some abuse towards pardew. the venom and threats that started coming towards me from these supafans was alarming. apparently I'm a disgrace and not a proper fan.  felt really threatened.

 

really is quite frightening.

 

 

Its a really strange phenomenon- someone clever than me on here may have a psychological term for it. But they are angry at you because you raise an issue that is too much for them to face, as it would need them to act rather than accept.

 

 

edit- Aggressive apathy :lol:

 

It's battered wife syndrome.

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Gouffran's last real injury was over 4 years ago. /cheerupit'schristmas :lol:

 

He never gets injured and will play forever, skittering about all over the pitch, not tackling, not shooting, not creating chances.

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Sunderland's misses were shocking. There were at least 3 occasions when I thought they were certain to score only for them to miss. That would usually mean they go on to lose and are filled with regret over their misses. Not against us it doesn't.

 

We could easily have been 3 down at half time.

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Sunderland's misses were shocking. There were at least 3 occasions when I thought they were certain to score only for them to miss. That would usually mean they go on to lose and are filled with regret over their misses. Not against us it doesn't.

 

Seen a lot of people saying we were the better side and were robbed.

 

They shouldn't be allowed to own forks.

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