TRon Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Not great comments, but if a manager has any one primary job at a football club, then it's to instil a mentality in the team. So this is at Bruce's door for me. Exactly this. If Bruce had complained we'd sat back too much you can bet your life that Lascelles would have echoed that if pushed for an opinion. Actually I would have less of a problem if Bruce had always preached the mantra of defensive football, but he's laid the blame for it at Rafa's door, then every time we let a few in, turns out we were too attacking. He has absolutely no principles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Not great comments, but if a manager has any one primary job at a football club, then it's to instil a mentality in the team. So this is at Bruce's door for me. Exactly this. If Bruce had complained we'd sat back too much you can bet your life that Lascelles would have echoed that if pushed for an opinion. Actually I would have less of a problem if Bruce had always preached the mantra of defensive football, but he's laid the blame for it at Rafa's door, then every time we let a few in, turns out we were too attacking. He has absolutely no principles. My issue is that he is implying we should be defending purely 'because its Man Utd'. Disregard the fact Bruce has them playing the same way every game anyway. It indicates a fear of big names and/or reputations....ok for a kid or someone called up from the reserves, but the captain should be fronting up on this and calling a bad performance a bad performance. Man Utd spanked us a fair few times in the early 2000's but you'd never have heard Shearer (as a player) coming out after one of them saying we should have defended deeper because it was Man Utd. Edit...it's comments like that which have probably seen him ignored by England. As much as Southgate has his faults if he sees an inherent fear in a player then he's right not to call him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Happy to see the back of him, he's not the same player he was under Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Aye, just carries the agenda these days. Wouldn't be sad to see him included in a clear out in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Not great comments, but if a manager has any one primary job at a football club, then it's to instil a mentality in the team. So this is at Bruce's door for me. Exactly this. If Bruce had complained we'd sat back too much you can bet your life that Lascelles would have echoed that if pushed for an opinion. Actually I would have less of a problem if Bruce had always preached the mantra of defensive football, but he's laid the blame for it at Rafa's door, then every time we let a few in, turns out we were too attacking. He has absolutely no principles. My issue is that he is implying we should be defending purely 'because its Man Utd'. Disregard the fact Bruce has them playing the same way every game anyway. It indicates a fear of big names and/or reputations....ok for a kid or someone called up from the reserves, but the captain should be fronting up on this and calling a bad performance a bad performance. Man Utd spanked us a fair few times in the early 2000's but you'd never have heard Shearer (as a player) coming out after one of them saying we should have defended deeper because it was Man Utd. Edit...it's comments like that which have probably seen him ignored by England. As much as Southgate has his faults if he sees an inherent fear in a player then he's right not to call him. I think he's just parroting Bruce tbh, Steve is definitely a one who thinks it's an honour to be on the same pitch as his beloved Man U. Pretty sure if we get a takeover and Bruce is replaced by Pochettino, suddenly all these players will be singing the praises of the high press. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 So the response to that game is going to be to sit back more huh We're going down this season 100%. There are always three worse teams somehow. League is a farce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Howay Mike man, there hasn't been twice in recent memory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Howay Mike man, there hasn't been twice in recent memory. I mean, we'll stay up this year and possibly next, despite playing absolute dogshit football. That's insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Just rephrasing his boss to try and deflect from the sheer ineptitude of the fucking wanker in the dugout. If he tells a few more to say it in their interviews it'll soon become accepted as fact by an awful lot of people. The thick cunts who swallow it are welcome to this utter prick of a manager and his captain only too willing to push this complete bullshit out. Fuck the pair of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Wish I shared your optimism (and recent joie de vivre) but i think I'd be worried this season if I was bothered at all like. If the auto response to getting spanked is to defend (Ha!) deeper we're in a downward spiral that this fucking nugget has no idea to reverse. Meh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 I think were being a bit hard on lascelles to be honest. Hes team captain. EVERY team captain toes the party line. Wouldnt surprise me if he was given his answers in a script prepared by bruce/charnley/barnes/ashley. Maybe the point of it was deflect some of the criticism onto him instead of bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Not really worried about Lascelles. It's more what this says about the effect Bruce has had on the team. It's a very bad sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I just find it ironic that one of the reasons he found himself in such a prominent position in the team was because he called out bullshit but now needs to toe the party line whilst in that prominent position. I imagine that's what makes it grate on people more than when the likes of Shelvey trots out his nonsense, which everyone has pretty much come to expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I just find it ironic that one of the reasons he found himself in such a prominent position in the team was because he called out bullshit but now needs to toe the party line whilst in that prominent position. I imagine that's what makes it grate on people more than when the likes of Shelvey trots out his nonsense, which everyone has pretty much come to expect. Maybe he's smarter than the average footballer. Maybe he sussed that certain behaviour would be appreciated by Rafa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 I just find it ironic that one of the reasons he found himself in such a prominent position in the team was because he called out bullshit but now needs to toe the party line whilst in that prominent position. I imagine that's what makes it grate on people more than when the likes of Shelvey trots out his nonsense, which everyone has pretty much come to expect. Maybe he's smarter than the average footballer. Maybe he sussed that certain behaviour would be appreciated by Rafa. No argument. He's not stupid and it's obviously based on a certain amount of self-preserveration. Doesn't make the change in tune any any less irksome for me personally, though. Even ignoring whether it's just Lascelles being savvy, I just find it yet another indictment on the club's management structure. Under Rafa the players, whatever their role or age, were free to speak their mind, show and build on their leadership. Under Bruce they're just an extension of him; a mouthpiece for the bare minimum mediocrity the club embodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Excellent today, a captain's performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 As Club Captain he needs to step up now and explain the reasons for his absence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 He has he's confirmed he's had Covid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 He’s just said in a chronicle interview “when you go and try and win the game against those sorts of teams,that’s when they can hurt you”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 He's close. When you go and try to win [against any team] without a tactical plan as to how to do so, that's when they can hurt you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Am I being too harsh on him for the second goal? I know Krafth had been caught up field but I thought he was skinned far too easily. Was Steven Taylor-esque to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 I can't judge him negatively in this shambles of a club. He's no where's near elite but he is a top half PL quality CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 there is no ruthlessness (is that a word) in our team. Each time a team breaks on us, instead of just taking out the man say 35 yards from goal, we just jockey and backtrack all the way into our box and they then invariably score. Just obstruct, tackle at 35 yards out, take the yellow and regroup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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