Shearergol Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I thought he was our best player today. Everyone was awful he didn't look at bad as some of the others WTF were you watching? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 He’s turbo shit. Championship level at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Every game now he seems to faff about on the ball and get pushed off it leading to a dangerous attack. Meanwhile he just slowly saunters back. Not that he could catch up anyway with his lack of pace. But so many of our players need an eternity to get the ball under control and then make a pass. It was painful watching, especially 2nd half when Fulham stopped pressing and we just passed it across the back 4 nice and slow and then run out of ideas so just pumped it long to Wilson. Just showed the complete lack of coaching going on. I've seen better build up play from Sunday league players. The amount of time players like longstaff think they have aswell is like Sunday league. This is allegedly the best and fastest paced league in the world and we have shit like longstaff and Richie starting in 2020. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Some great tackles, but some shit play too. Too slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 He's not good enough and never has been really. He had a run of about 12 games under Rafa, in a team that was well drilled and playing well, where he looked good. He's literally never looked the same player since. 12 games doesnt make a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 There was a cracking tackle mid-way through first half, that was excellent. Needs to do more of that, because he was committed and firm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbo_11 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 The full team was poor yesterday, but it's partly how we're setup. Another poster has mentioned that both Shelvey and Longstaff drop deep so we essentially have a 4 - 2 - 2 - 2, which limits any attacking options. The amount of long forward balls that were wasted after passing it around in our own half was appalling. He's prone to errors and has too much time on the ball which leads to a turnover in possession - I'm not sure if it's because when he first came into the team he kept it simple and was more pass/move? He isn't a terrible player, but his development has stalled and it's due to a lack of quality in the team. The only thing he is developing is bad habits that are leading to us conceding goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 The full team was poor yesterday, but it's partly how we're setup. Another poster has mentioned that both Shelvey and Longstaff drop deep so we essentially have a 4 - 2 - 2 - 2, which limits any attacking options. The amount of long forward balls that were wasted after passing it around in our own half was appalling. He's prone to errors and has too much time on the ball which leads to a turnover in possession - I'm not sure if it's because when he first came into the team he kept it simple and was more pass/move? He isn't a terrible player, but his development has stalled and it's due to a lack of quality in the team. The only thing he is developing is bad habits that are leading to us conceding goals. He works best the forward player between him and Hayden, he must take it upon himself to grasp a game, there’s only so much a manager can do albeit ours won’t improve him , Sean must buck his ideas up, believe in himself and learn to for once boss a game in the way Henderson does otherwise he’s a ten a penny player most teams have in the reserve side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I’m not a fan of how fast people write off young players across the board and I do think Longstaff has potential to be a good player if he continues to work on what he did under Rafa. Bruce has to take a portion of the blame but so does Longstaff on this occasion. You can’t go from talking about having distractions around the Man U bid, publicly hiring agents who leak stuff to the media and then turn out performances like this first half v Palace and the entire Leeds game. I didn’t see yesterday’s game but I don’t think I’ve seen a worse cm performance against Leeds since some of the games a I’m back used to hack and side pass his way through. He’s really at a cross-roads in his career at present and that could either be a decent Premier League midfielder or a football league journeyman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I’m not a fan of how fast people write off young players across the board and I do think Longstaff has potential to be a good player if he continues to work on what he did under Rafa. Bruce has to take a portion of the blame but so does Longstaff on this occasion. You can’t go from talking about having distractions around the Man U bid, publicly hiring agents who leak stuff to the media and then turn out performances like this first half v Palace and the entire Leeds game. I didn’t see yesterday’s game but I don’t think I’ve seen a worse cm performance against Leeds since some of the games a I’m back used to hack and side pass his way through. He’s really at a cross-roads in his career at present and that could either be a decent Premier League midfielder or a football league journeyman. I don’t think folk are writing him off but good players are consistent, potential comes and goes and under Bruce who isn’t going anywhere fast the obvious answer is he will regress I’m afraid . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 you can tell his confidences is shot. scared of making a mistake and seems to panic even the before the ball gets to him. may be still a player in there but he needs an arm round him and some one-on-one coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Thought he was much better yesterday, put in quite a few good tackles and had more energy about him, but his passing and movement needs to be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 He was absolutely shocking except a couple of small flashes in the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 There was a point in the game where the ball was cleared out, maybe after we had a corner, he was 3 yards from the ball, their player 8 yards from it and he backed off to let their player get it. Couldn’t believe what I was watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 He looks a much better player when he's further forward rather than being behind Shelvey half the time. He's also the only midfielder we have who looks like he might be able to score a few apart from his brother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 There was a point in the game where the ball was cleared out, maybe after we had a corner, he was 3 yards from the ball, their player 8 yards from it and he backed off to let their player get it. Couldn’t believe what I was watching. This sort of thing is happening a lot, but not just with Longstaff. The primary aim seems to be to keep behind the ball rather than challenge and risk getting beaten. Overall, we don't press teams. It's amazing how much time and space we give to the opposition to knock the ball around in our half. The issue with a press is that even if the first player doesn't get the ball, the opponent may get rushed into a hasty pass, and then the second player may have a better chance of getting it. So you need everyone to press collectively, or it's barely worth bothering. And we have too many slow players to make that work, so we opt for caution. Longstaff is the last midfield player that I would drop, because he is still developing, can pick a pass, and he does get into the opposition box. But he would benefit greatly from players with pace around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh74 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Should he be played in a number 10 role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I don't think he was as bad on Saturday as he has been at times this season. Playing him in a 2 with Shelvey is basically surrendering midfield though. No mobility or press at all and Fulham's average midfield just took the piss out of them. He's not a #10 and he's not a deep-lying midfielder... I see him as a very, very poor man's Frank Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I don't think he was as bad on Saturday as he has been at times this season. Playing him in a 2 with Shelvey is basically surrendering midfield though. No mobility or press at all and Fulham's average midfield just took the piss out of them. He's not a #10 and he's not a deep-lying midfielder... I see him as a very, very poor man's Frank Lampard. Yeah, I'd agree with all of this except that 'very, very poor' bit. They do have similar strengths, but Lampard had a maturity about him from an early stage. Longstaff often looks a bit nervous and unconfident, like he's still the kid amongst men. At some stage, and I hope it's soon, he'll develop that self-assurance that a player in that position really needs. And he probably needs a really good midfield anchor man behind him to free him up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Although they play poorly more often than not it's not any of the younger players fault. What is the framework that they play in? Are they assigned specific functions and drilled to carry out those function and then held accountable? Or are they just put on the pitch to roll up their socks and do the best they can? He's not a great athlete but Longstaff looks slower if he's indecisive because he hasn't been drilled correctly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 There was a point in the game where the ball was cleared out, maybe after we had a corner, he was 3 yards from the ball, their player 8 yards from it and he backed off to let their player get it. Couldn’t believe what I was watching. Found it. 5th minute of the game if anyone's interested in watching it back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 He also lost out in the opening 15 seconds in an aerial challenge which led to Mitrovic getting a shot on target. Weak as piss. He may well have been one of the players with COVID but my god has he been utter shit. Was shit before COVID and ever since he came back from his injury in March '19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Finished Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 He looks done at this level (championship I mean). Needs a loan to Grimsby for a season or two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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