Gazzaschicken Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Isn't the main point of this to stop wages being paid to people through the back door of ffp? And I'm sure the bottom half teams wouldn't vote for something which could hinder them in the future? Not as bad as its made out to be imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, Scoot said: Loved this bit... Any proposed new deal for Newcastle will now be matched against similar deals by similar-sized clubs. So for example, a shirt sponsorship deal or stadium naming rights deal would have to be of a similar level to those paid to the likes of Everton, Aston Villa or Leeds United. So in other words, you can't have sonship deals the same size as the big 6 as its threatening to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 PIF haven’t bought us to be 7th or 8th best, I’m sure they want to make the club one of the best in the EPL and in Europe. If they have to sweep aside the attempts by the so called big 6, and the PL through resorting to legal action, so be it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Can't even think about this shit when we are going to spend a year in the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, Scoot said: Loved this bit... Any proposed new deal for Newcastle will now be matched against similar deals by similar-sized clubs. So for example, a shirt sponsorship deal or stadium naming rights deal would have to be of a similar level to those paid to the likes of Everton, Aston Villa or Leeds United. So in other words, you can't have sonship deals the same size as the big 6 as its threatening to them. I think we’ll put this to the test immediately and announce some big deals. Reject them and they’ll be facing another anti competition case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Maybe I've misremembered (or deliberately tried to get that bellend out my mind) but wasn't something like this how we bought Michael Owen? We had that new Northern Rock deal which they paid upfront and that's the money we paid Real Madrid (minus any alleged Jonathan Wooodgate alteration). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzaschicken Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: I think we’ll put this to the test immediately and announce some big deals. Reject them and they’ll be facing another anti competition case. Isn't the size of the deal comparative to the company its with as well? Imagine Saudi aramco trying to sponsor us and the Premier league being like "no Mr 1 of the largest companies in the world that's too much money" doesn't paint a very good picture for the epl does it. I think this is just to appease the big six by putting some flimsy rule in place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 They can’t stop us, go to Saudi Arabia during preseason play a couple of friendlies get paid £200m. Jobs a good un. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number37 Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Yeah, I'm sure the Big Five & Tottenham have played those International Champions Cup friendlies in recent years all over the world for crazy money. We played Crewe Alexandra at Queen Ethelburga's instead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, SAK said: They can’t stop us, go to Saudi Arabia during preseason play a couple of friendlies get paid £200m. Jobs a good un. Comes under the fair comparison regs I think I saw a previous poster say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) Is there a limit to the amount of "Global partners" a club can have ? Look at Man Utd's list, Aeroflot, Apollo tyres, HCL (Who they ?), is it possible to get round by not having just 1 large sponsor but a loads of smaller ones ? Edited December 14, 2021 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Miggys First Goal said: Oh well, previous deals are going to fuck us. how do you even agree 'fair market value'? Utter farce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 The value of something is how much someone is prepared to pay surely, not sure how this would stand up in court. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willow Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 33 minutes ago, STM said: Can't even think about this shit when we are going to spend a year in the championship. Agreed, it really puts a downer on everything that normally I'd be super happy about. You never know, we may gan radge in January and win every single remaining game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 39 minutes ago, Manxst said: Comes under the fair comparison regs I think I saw a previous poster say. Is that definite? Not sure how a friendly tournament can be covered? I mean even if it is then what's to stop us selling a player to a Saudi club for a daft price? They can't regulate the fees clubs pay for players If the owners want to then there will be creative ways around it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 You’d imagine there will be multiple backdoors, as there are for all of the crappy rules in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 9 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said: Is that definite? Not sure how a friendly tournament can be covered? I mean even if it is then what's to stop us selling a player to a Saudi club for a daft price? They can't regulate the fees clubs pay for players If the owners want to then there will be creative ways around it Well these are the definitions as they were before today: “Associated Party” means a Person that is associated with or related to the Club in the terms detailed below. A Person (or where the Person is an individual, an associate of that Person or a close member of that Person’s family) is an Associated Party in respect of a Club: (a) if that Person: (i) owns shares or holds a loan interest of any kind in the Club or an entity in the same group of companies as the Club; (ii) has Control over the Club; (iii) exercises influence over the Club, or an entity in the same group of companies as the Club; or (iv) is an Official, Director, consultant or advisor of the Club or an entity in the same group of companies as the Club, or (b) if any of the following conditions apply: (i) the Person and the Club are members of the same group of companies; (ii) the Person and the Club, whether directly or indirectly, receive funds of any sort, are controlled, jointly controlled, or influenced by the same government, public or state-funded body or by the same party; (iii) one entity (or any individual employed by or contracted to that entity) has influence or the ability to exert influence over the other entity; (iv) one entity is an associate or joint venture of the other entity (or an associate or joint venture of a member of a group of which the other entity is a member); (v) the Person and the Club are joint ventures of the same third party; (vi) one entity is a joint venture of a third entity and the other entity is an associate of the third entity; (vii) the Person and the Club is controlled or jointly controlled by a Person identified in paragraph (a); (viii) the Person identified in paragraph (a) has influence over the Club or is a member of the key management personnel of the Club (or of a parent of the Club); or (ix) the Person, or any member of a group of which it is a part, provides key management personnel services to the Club. In considering whether a Person is an Associated Party in respect of a Club, the League will direct its attention to the substance of the relationship and not merely the legal form. References in this Rule to the ability to ‘influence’ an entity include the ability to influence but not control financial and operating policy decision making, whether by share ownership, holding of a loan interest, statute, appointment, employment, agreement or by other means; “Associated Party Transaction” means: (a) an agreement or a transfer of resources, rights, services or obligations, whether directly or indirectly between a Club and an Associated Party, regardless of whether a price has been charged and regardless of whether it is recorded in a written agreement in any form; or (b) any transaction of any kind that is conducted otherwise than at Arm’s Length, where the total financial value of the consideration (including the fees to be paid, services to be provided and/or value in kind to be supplied) due to the Club is in excess of £1 million in aggregate, whether in relation to an individual Associated Party Transaction or a series of Associated Party Transactions. In considering whether a transaction is an Associated Party Transaction, the League will direct its attention to the substance of the transaction and not merely the legal form; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) Not sure if I should be concerned but I'm not at all tbh. We clearly have money to spend irrespective of sponsorship deals, so building success from any initial outlay should increase the value of any forthcoming sponsorship deals in the future. We already have some of the highest viewing figures in the UK and we're now marketable in one of the richest countries in the world and in all probability will soon have mass global appeal once we start spending some dollar over the next few years. Should we be on the projectory that we hope to be in 2 or 3 years time, then market value will be in line with the teams we're hoping to eventually compete with no? What am I missing? Edited December 14, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 (edited) Staveley has already put a shot across the bows with the letter to the other clubs. This will go to the courts (possibly a joint legal submission with Man City) as it’s totally anti-competition and restraint of trade Edited December 14, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 It's bollocks like. That's pretty much my input. Just blatant foot stamping which doesn't sound like it holds any legal weight....but I know nowt really. Just sounds like a complete piss take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 Same. Don’t have a clue about the legal precedent at all. Apparently our sponsorship is limited to similar sized clubs, so similar to what Villa have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 How the hell do you determine the size of a club from a legal standpoint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: How the hell do you determine the size of a club from a legal standpoint? It’s daft. Like we could easily show our figures from just before Ashley showing it wasn’t a million miles off Spurs & Arsenal to show our potential income when the club tries to actually make money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I guess if nowt else it puts an end to the stupid debate of who's bigger than who Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 You can't be sponsored as much as our favourite 6! To be allowed that you must be as glamourous as our favourite 6! To be as glamourous as our favourite 6 you must spend like them! To spend like them you must be worthy of similar levels of sponsorship as them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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