OptimusSlime Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 On 01/08/2023 at 14:41, TheGuv said: Cheers man. There’s a few ST holders up there who’ll no doubt keep it going. However, there was also a very large membership congregation in that section too. The club are fucking tbh. Our atmosphere is one of our biggest assets and they’ll get rid of it if they’re not too careful. How long before some fans realise they can’t afford to pay £1000-£2000 for a Gallowgate or Leazes ST in the future? How many Wor Flags lads and lasses may be priced out? These are serious questions. I was thinking about capacity and the ground when in St James today. The thing is if you are the owners (Staveley, Rueben, PIF are investing, want success but are ultimately capitalists looking at Chelsea, Spurs etc for inspiration) - do you:- A) Spend at least £80 million expanding the ground to say 64k (that’s what Anfield cost apparently)? Then make an extra say £12 million per year (12k seats x £1k per season ticket) B) Spend £1 billion to build a new stadium (cost of Spurs ground apparently) to make an extra £15 to £20 million per year depending how many seats you fit in? C) Keep ground as is. Get rid of the cheaper family enclosure, add 30% to all season tickets and make an extra minimum of £9 million per year instantly (30k season tickets x average £300 per year increase) Spurs new ground made a lot more since as they were stuck with 36k seats at White Hart Lane. I don’t see how the investment makes sense for a brand new stadium for us unless unless we are adding at least 25k additional seats. Unless we are taking about a new stadium being a PIF vanity project. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 6 minutes ago, OptimusSlime said: I was thinking about capacity and the ground when in St James today. The thing is if you are the owners (Staveley, Rueben, PIF are investing, want success but are ultimately capitalists looking at Chelsea, Spurs etc for inspiration) - do you:- A) Spend at least £80 million expanding the ground to say 64k (that’s what Anfield cost apparently)? Then make an extra say £12 million per year (12k seats x £1k per season ticket) B) Spend £1 billion to build a new stadium (cost of Spurs ground apparently) to make an extra £15 to £20 million per year depending how many seats you fit in? C) Keep ground as is. Get rid of the cheaper family enclosure, add 30% to all season tickets and make an extra minimum of £9 million per year instantly (30k season tickets x average £300 per year increase) Spurs new ground made a lot more since as they were stuck with 36k seats at White Hart Lane. I don’t see how the investment makes sense for a brand new stadium for us unless unless we are adding at least 25k additional seats. Unless we are taking about a new stadium being a PIF vanity project. It's not really about seats (not entirely anyway) it's about corporate. Think about The Barracks for example, that's the cheapest hospitality option I think and someone sitting there at £200ish a pop is earning you four or five times as much as someone sat in L7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimusSlime Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Keegans Export said: It's not really about seats (not entirely anyway) it's about corporate. Think about The Barracks for example, that's the cheapest hospitality option I think and someone sitting there at £200ish a pop is earning you four or five times as much as someone sat in L7. So again why build a new stadium/spend up to or over £100m on an expansion if you can just turn existing areas of the ground corporate? Save a fortune on investment and make loads more £££ from current St James (with some modernisation/luxury added). I saw an advert for “The Wings” the newest hospitality area this weekend on the big screen. That to be added to the former Sports Bar in the Milburn end and the “Rooftops” - it’s happening already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, OptimusSlime said: So again why build a new stadium/spend up to or over £100m on an expansion if you can just turn existing areas of the ground corporate? Save a fortune on investment and make loads more £££ from current St James (with some modernisation/luxury added). I saw an advert for “The Wings” the newest hospitality area this weekend on the big screen. That to be added to the former Sports Bar in the Milburn end and the “Rooftops” - it’s happening already. Because that would be to the detriment of the atmosphere and that is one of the things that attracted them to the club. The unique fanbase it has. Aside from that you need to have a certain amount of family seating and thirdly the NE is not exactly awash with money so ultimately they could end up simply pricing people out. An expansion of the current ground up to 60/65k is still the best option by a mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, OptimusSlime said: So again why build a new stadium/spend up to or over £100m on an expansion if you can just turn existing areas of the ground corporate? Save a fortune on investment and make loads more £££ from current St James (with some modernisation/luxury added). Because our owners are exceptionally wealthy but are prevented just pumping cash in by FFP. So they can spend loads on something not covered by FFP (stadium) to raise something that will count towards our FFP income (match day revenue) There's also part of me that thinks the Saudi's will ultimately want a best-in-class stadium which I don't think is possible by renovating the current site (unless you demolish it) although that could just be me following the stereotype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Have a feeling a certain trip to the Mercedes Benz stadium this summer will influence thinking going forward on stadium front. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 I honestly think that we will get a rebuild by slightly moving the stadiums footprint. That would be either north into Leazers Park, or south over Metro Station. We will possibly try to get closer to Barrack Road. As people say, corporate will play a big part. A lot of NFL stadiums now have 100 or more corporate boxes, and I can football stadiums going a similar way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieDoor Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Interesting to see (hear) what it's like tomorrow, i'm in the posh seats so will be difficult to tell. Should be decent enough being first game and later kick off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 minute ago, JackieDoor said: Interesting to see (hear) what it's like tomorrow, i'm in the posh seats so will be difficult to tell. Should be decent enough being first game and later kick off. How posh? In the new Rooftop place? Make sure you drink all that free Champagne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieDoor Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mazzy said: How posh? In the new Rooftop place? Make sure you drink all that free Champagne. Barracks, went for the cheapest, just wanted to gurantee being at the first game and avoid the ballot etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Spurs ground makes sense as they can host lots of other events to make money, NFL being a good example. If we had a mega new stadium would we get the same events, I doubt it. I'm in favour of extending, build the gallowgate over the road and rebuild east stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Platinum club is a library, not a fuckin squeak. Dat next ro a radgie so we gave shared some craic and hugs.Mint view Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Standing in the corner was like an away end at times Rest of the ground seemed shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, jack j said: Standing in the corner was like an away end at times Rest of the ground seemed shite Standing in the corner is like being at different game Would hate to be anywhere else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 The “atmosphere” is just going to get worse as the club gets better imo. The normies who only have a casual interest in the club will start pushing out some of the serial masochists who were filling the ground throughout the Ashley years. It will still be a better atmosphere than basically any other club on any other sport in the world. That’s what makes Newcastle special. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, oldtype said: The “atmosphere” is just going to get worse as the club gets better imo. The normies who only have a casual interest in the club will start pushing out some of the serial masochists who were filling the ground throughout the Ashley years. It will still be a better atmosphere than basically any other club on any other sport in the world. That’s what makes Newcastle special. Atmosphere is nowhere near as good as some teams in Europe and South America. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Sima said: Atmosphere is nowhere near as good as some teams in Europe and South America. I should caveat that as “any club in a major, globally-televised league.” I’m sure it’s never going to be as good as that Mexican second division team I visited once where it was just five hundred insane people drinking and screaming. Edited August 12, 2023 by oldtype Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Fuck all wrong with the atmosphere in the middle of the Gallowgate today. The corner standing helps a lot, as does smashing @brummie's boys into oblivion You laughed at us, when we went down... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 I’ve got a badly failing voice and I was in the East Stand towards Leazes corner. Atmosphere was good throughout IMO. The roar after the first goal was absolutely incredible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Great atmosphere Strawberry corner has gone up another level this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobsonsWonderland Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 I think it's just the stadium acoustics It never stopped in the leazers east corner... And if I'm honest we can't hear the noise in the galllowgate or corner from where we are. Just make it the best you can from wherever you are... And it will grow and grow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimusSlime Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Thought the atmosphere was class today. Obviously 5 goals helps but what a day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Was good up in L7 next to away fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Great today. Love the new pyros too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 12, 2023 Share Posted August 12, 2023 Atmosphere was great but it was strange to see so many empty seats. Especially Milburn stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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