Jump to content
Newcastle-Online

Match Atmosphere

Wandy

by Wandy
in Football

 Share

Singing Section at SJP - Poll  

219 members have voted

  1. 1. Would you want a large singing/standing section at St James' Park?

    • Yes. I'm an existing season ticket holder and I would want to be a part of it
      33
    • Yes. I'm an existing season ticket holder but wouldn't want to be part of it, but I would move to a seat somewhere else if the singing section was to be where I currently sit....as long as I was happy with the new seat.
      13
    • No. The atmosphere is fine as it is.
      3
    • No. The atmosphere needs to improve but this isn't the answer.
      8
    • Yes. I'm just a member at the moment but would want one in the singing section.
      80
    • Yes. I'm just a member at the moment but would want a season ticket in a non-singing section. But a singing section needs to happen to let people who want to sing be together
      28

Recommended Posts

OptimusSlime

OptimusSlime

Posted
Posted
On 01/08/2023 at 14:41, TheGuv said:

Cheers man. There’s a few ST holders up there who’ll no doubt keep it going. However, there was also a very large membership congregation in that section too. 
 

The club are fucking  tbh. Our atmosphere is one of our biggest assets and they’ll get rid of it if they’re not too careful. How long before some fans realise they can’t afford to pay £1000-£2000 for a Gallowgate or Leazes ST in the future? How many Wor Flags lads and lasses may be priced out? These are serious questions.


I was thinking about capacity and the ground when in St James today.  The thing is if you are the owners (Staveley, Rueben, PIF are investing, want success but are ultimately capitalists looking at Chelsea, Spurs etc for inspiration) - do you:-

 

A) Spend at least £80 million expanding the ground to say 64k (that’s what Anfield cost apparently)?  Then make an extra say £12 million per year (12k seats x £1k per season ticket)

 

B) Spend £1 billion to build a new stadium (cost of Spurs ground apparently) to make an extra £15 to £20 million per year depending how many seats you fit in?

 

C) Keep ground as is.  Get rid of the cheaper family enclosure, add 30% to all season tickets and make an extra minimum of £9 million per year instantly (30k season tickets x average £300 per year increase)

 

Spurs new ground made a lot more since as they were stuck with 36k seats at White Hart Lane.  I don’t see how the investment makes sense for a brand new stadium for us unless unless we are adding at least 25k additional seats.  Unless we are taking about a new stadium being a PIF vanity project.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Keegans Export

Keegans Export

Posted
Posted
6 minutes ago, OptimusSlime said:


I was thinking about capacity and the ground when in St James today.  The thing is if you are the owners (Staveley, Rueben, PIF are investing, want success but are ultimately capitalists looking at Chelsea, Spurs etc for inspiration) - do you:-

 

A) Spend at least £80 million expanding the ground to say 64k (that’s what Anfield cost apparently)?  Then make an extra say £12 million per year (12k seats x £1k per season ticket)

 

B) Spend £1 billion to build a new stadium (cost of Spurs ground apparently) to make an extra £15 to £20 million per year depending how many seats you fit in?

 

C) Keep ground as is.  Get rid of the cheaper family enclosure, add 30% to all season tickets and make an extra minimum of £9 million per year instantly (30k season tickets x average £300 per year increase)

 

Spurs new ground made a lot more since as they were stuck with 36k seats at White Hart Lane.  I don’t see how the investment makes sense for a brand new stadium for us unless unless we are adding at least 25k additional seats.  Unless we are taking about a new stadium being a PIF vanity project.

It's not really about seats (not entirely anyway) it's about corporate. 

 

Think about The Barracks for example, that's the cheapest hospitality option I think and someone sitting there at £200ish a pop is earning you four or five times as much as someone sat in L7.

Link to post
Share on other sites
OptimusSlime

OptimusSlime

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, Keegans Export said:

It's not really about seats (not entirely anyway) it's about corporate. 

 

Think about The Barracks for example, that's the cheapest hospitality option I think and someone sitting there at £200ish a pop is earning you four or five times as much as someone sat in L7.


So again why build a new stadium/spend up to or over £100m on an expansion if you can just turn existing areas of the ground corporate?  Save a fortune on investment and make loads more £££ from current St James (with some modernisation/luxury added).

 

I saw an advert for “The Wings” the newest hospitality area this weekend on the big screen.  That to be added to the former Sports Bar in the Milburn end and the “Rooftops” - it’s happening already. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
Wallsendmag

Wallsendmag

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, OptimusSlime said:


So again why build a new stadium/spend up to or over £100m on an expansion if you can just turn existing areas of the ground corporate?  Save a fortune on investment and make loads more £££ from current St James (with some modernisation/luxury added).

 

I saw an advert for “The Wings” the newest hospitality area this weekend on the big screen.  That to be added to the former Sports Bar in the Milburn end and the “Rooftops” - it’s happening already. 

 

Because that would be to the detriment of the atmosphere and that is one of the things that attracted them to the club. The unique fanbase it has. 

 

Aside from that you need to have a certain amount of family seating and thirdly the NE is not exactly awash with money so ultimately they could end up simply pricing people out.

 

An expansion of the current ground up to 60/65k is still the best option by a mile.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Keegans Export

Keegans Export

Posted
Posted
19 minutes ago, OptimusSlime said:


So again why build a new stadium/spend up to or over £100m on an expansion if you can just turn existing areas of the ground corporate?  Save a fortune on investment and make loads more £££ from current St James (with some modernisation/luxury added).

Because our owners are exceptionally wealthy but are prevented just pumping cash in by FFP. So they can spend loads on something not covered by FFP (stadium) to raise something that will count towards our FFP income (match day revenue)

 

There's also part of me that thinks the Saudi's will ultimately want a best-in-class stadium which I don't think is possible by renovating the current site (unless you demolish it) although that could just be me following the stereotype.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Stifler

Stifler

Posted
Posted

I honestly think that we will get a rebuild by slightly moving the stadiums footprint. That would be either north into Leazers Park, or south over Metro Station. We will possibly try to get closer to Barrack Road.

 

As people say, corporate will play a big part. A lot of NFL stadiums now have 100 or more corporate boxes, and I can football stadiums going a similar way.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Mazzy

Mazzy

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, JackieDoor said:

Interesting to see (hear) what it's like tomorrow, i'm in the posh seats so will be difficult to tell.

 

Should be decent enough being first game and later kick off.

 

How posh? In the new Rooftop place? Make sure you drink all that free Champagne.

Link to post
Share on other sites
JackieDoor

JackieDoor

Posted
Posted
11 minutes ago, Mazzy said:

 

How posh? In the new Rooftop place? Make sure you drink all that free Champagne.

 

Barracks, went for the cheapest, just wanted to gurantee being at the first game and avoid the ballot etc.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Adam

Adam

Posted
Posted

Spurs ground makes sense as they can host lots of other events to make money, NFL being a good example. If we had a mega new stadium would we get the same events, I doubt it. 

 

I'm in favour of extending, build the gallowgate over the road and rebuild east stand.

Link to post
Share on other sites
oldtype

oldtype

Posted
Posted

The “atmosphere” is just going to get worse as the club gets better imo. The normies who only have a casual interest in the club will start pushing out some of the serial masochists who were filling the ground throughout the Ashley years.

 

It will still be a better atmosphere than basically any other club on any other sport in the world. That’s what makes Newcastle special.

Link to post
Share on other sites
Sima

Sima

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, oldtype said:

The “atmosphere” is just going to get worse as the club gets better imo. The normies who only have a casual interest in the club will start pushing out some of the serial masochists who were filling the ground throughout the Ashley years.

 

It will still be a better atmosphere than basically any other club on any other sport in the world. That’s what makes Newcastle special.


Atmosphere is nowhere near as good as some teams in Europe and South America.

Link to post
Share on other sites
oldtype

oldtype

Posted
Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Sima said:


Atmosphere is nowhere near as good as some teams in Europe and South America.

I should caveat that as “any club in a major, globally-televised league.” I’m sure it’s never going to be as good as that Mexican second division team I visited once where it was just five hundred insane people drinking and screaming.

 

 

Edited by oldtype

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing
×
×
  • Create New...