AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Why does this thread turn into farce every few days. There’s nothing to talk about. And non-clique members. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 What you have to bear in mind with ManDoon's take is that the way a lot of our fans went on (including starting on one of the members of this forum) during the Hull protest against Pardew a few years ago probably radicalised a lot of us into actively despising sections of our support. Agree with it or disagree with it, that's just how it is. And what you and others still fail to understand, is that abusing our own supporters even when you fundamentally disagree with what they are doing achieved nothing other than make you feel better. It entrenches their position and made them even more unlikely to see the bigger picture and change their ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 After the way they went on? About a football team and it’s manager, aye? Can see your point now, like. Fuck them, hopefully they and their families lose their homes as well as their jobs. Can’t be having people with different opinions being treat fairly. You don't see the point at all, particularly as you're trying to frame people hurling abuse, spitting at, and literally starting on other supporters as 'people with different opinions' Shit, I didn't realise that they started on you! Yeah, that's fine then, they probably deserve financial ruin during a global pandemic. Hope their families end up on the streets too, the little cunts. Yes, laughing at cunts not getting their season ticket money back is the same as wishing them and their families complete financial ruin. In the same way being positive about the takeover is being desperate to be owned by baby bombers? He really doesn't understand it does he. He does, he's sitting at home stroking himself in to a frenzy at all the attention he's getting. Ignore him, it'll hurt him more. So fucking weird. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Yeah, yeah, all shock, horror, and ad homs but not a single substantive counter argument, as usual. Because there is nothing to counter argue about. People know fine and well now, you just pop in here all antagonistic and full of fury, looking for an argument that nobody can be arsed to have with you. The attitude of always jumping in that you are constantly right on all matters doesn't help your cause either and probably why most people just let you get on with it. Nobody wants to argue at all, it only seems to end up that way when you make an appearance. Ehh hold on, I was responding to the people who are desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club trying to lay down to other people what is and isn't decent. If pointing out that I think that's bullshit and they aren't in any position to arbitrate decency makes people uncomfortable, makes me antagonistic, or makes people think I have nefarious reasons for posting, so be it. See, you twist it to come across in your antagonistic way. the bit in bold isn't true though. People are not "desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club". The majority of people are desperate to see the back of Ashley, this doesn't make them fans of "baby bombers" or dying to see "mass murderers", and you know this as it has been discussed to death already. It's always put across as all people are cunts who don't agree with your own take. Wish you'd get over this whole tackling me and not the issue thing like. I'm being honest with my points, if you don't think I'm not being honest then don't reply to me like you say you've already been doing. The people who applauded the post against mine and ManDoon's supposed indecency are desperate for this takeover to happen. Whether you want to frame that as being desperate for Ashley to leave or being desperate for this specific takeover by the Saudi state to happen, it still doesn't put them in any position to tell anyone what is and isn't decent and it doesn't help the argument that it's just desperation for Ashley to leave when there was potentially another offer on the table a few weeks back and folk were saying they'd prefer the Saudis. Sorry, not sure what you mean in that first sentence. I am not tackling you, I am just replying to your comments, as you are the one making them. Also not sure what you mean about being honest or not, nobody is calling you a liar. People can disagree with you though, especially when you put it across so over the top and crass as you do. "It doesn't put them in any position". Well that's compared to your own take. I also don't think anyone who agreed with it should be called fans of baby bombers as you so dramatically replied with for full effect. When you need to start throwing comments like that about it is only for the reason of arguing and not to discuss anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 What you have to bear in mind with ManDoon's take is that the way a lot of our fans went on (including starting on one of the members of this forum) during the Hull protest against Pardew a few years ago probably radicalised a lot of us into actively despising sections of our support. Agree with it or disagree with it, that's just how it is. And what you and others still fail to understand, is that abusing our own supporters even when you fundamentally disagree with what they are doing achieved nothing other than make you feel better. It entrenches their position and made them even more unlikely to see the bigger picture and change their ways. Greg, you know as well as I do that I left the whole campaigning side of things ages ago. There were times in the past when I and others took our frustration out on fans, realised it was counterproductive and attempted to do the whole kubaya thing, but it changed nothing and never would have. Rafa leaving/Bruce's arrival was the only thing that made the crowds finally dip and no amount of us being nice to fans we disagree with would change anything prior to that. Again though, I dunno why I keep having to make this point, but people hurling abuse, spitting at you, and starting on you aren't simply fans with a difference of opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 What you have to bear in mind with ManDoon's take is that the way a lot of our fans went on (including starting on one of the members of this forum) during the Hull protest against Pardew a few years ago probably radicalised a lot of us into actively despising sections of our support. Agree with it or disagree with it, that's just how it is. Fancy despising someone for going to a football match though I mean that's not what I'm doing like, but it's fucking hilarious that it's you attempting to make this point when you did exactly that for years. Don't despise anyone me. Not even mackems. Obviously touched a nerve with you all the same. I suggest you chill out. Not at all, I just think it's funny that you're making that point after that Wullie post a couple of years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 What you have to bear in mind with ManDoon's take is that the way a lot of our fans went on (including starting on one of the members of this forum) during the Hull protest against Pardew a few years ago probably radicalised a lot of us into actively despising sections of our support. Agree with it or disagree with it, that's just how it is. Fancy despising someone for going to a football match though I mean that's not what I'm doing like, but it's fucking hilarious that it's you attempting to make this point when you did exactly that for years. Don't despise anyone me. Not even mackems. Obviously touched a nerve with you all the same. I suggest you chill out. Not at all, I just think it's funny that you're making that point after that Wullie post a couple of years ago. I don't take this place seriously enough to remember what was said a couple of weeks ago let alone a couple of years ago but I do know I wouldn't despise anyone for choosing to go to watch a game of football. Loads of my family still hold season tickets. It's their choice really. You're obviously having a bad day and are spoiling for an argument so I'll give you a bit of leeway there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 What you have to bear in mind with ManDoon's take is that the way a lot of our fans went on (including starting on one of the members of this forum) during the Hull protest against Pardew a few years ago probably radicalised a lot of us into actively despising sections of our support. Agree with it or disagree with it, that's just how it is. And what you and others still fail to understand, is that abusing our own supporters even when you fundamentally disagree with what they are doing achieved nothing other than make you feel better. It entrenches their position and made them even more unlikely to see the bigger picture and change their ways. Greg, you know as well as I do that I left the whole campaigning side of things ages ago. There were times in the past when I and others took our frustration out on fans, realised it was counterproductive and attempted to do the whole kubaya thing, but it changed nothing and never would have. Rafa leaving/Bruce's arrival was the only thing that made the crowds finally dip and no amount of us being nice to fans we disagree with would change anything prior to that. Again though, I dunno why I keep having to make this point, but people hurling abuse, spitting at you, and starting on you aren't simply fans with a difference of opinion. It's not about being nice, it's about educating them but we never really got the chance to do that given a lot of those of us involved in effect gave up the fight, and then a load of new people tried the same old things we had done and surprise surprise nothing changed. I was there as you know - and those in that category you mentioned was a very small minority of the majority of others that just ignored it and kept on going (it probably felt like more at the time but the grant scheme of the 40 odd thousands it really wasn't many, as horrible as it was). Idiots are idiots and we have some in our fan base as does every club. To turn that around and tarnish all match going fans and abusing them on here and elsewhere does nothing though - it literally achieves nothing. It is giving up and just ranting to make yourself feel better. You are probably right that nothing meaningful would have ever changed, but if that is your view and you decided to give up that fight then let it be. But don't make yourself feel better by going around calling out other fans, it's antagonistic and utterly pointless and just drives further division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Yeah, yeah, all shock, horror, and ad homs but not a single substantive counter argument, as usual. Because there is nothing to counter argue about. People know fine and well now, you just pop in here all antagonistic and full of fury, looking for an argument that nobody can be arsed to have with you. The attitude of always jumping in that you are constantly right on all matters doesn't help your cause either and probably why most people just let you get on with it. Nobody wants to argue at all, it only seems to end up that way when you make an appearance. Ehh hold on, I was responding to the people who are desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club trying to lay down to other people what is and isn't decent. If pointing out that I think that's bullshit and they aren't in any position to arbitrate decency makes people uncomfortable, makes me antagonistic, or makes people think I have nefarious reasons for posting, so be it. See, you twist it to come across in your antagonistic way. the bit in bold isn't true though. People are not "desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club". The majority of people are desperate to see the back of Ashley, this doesn't make them fans of "baby bombers" or dying to see "mass murderers", and you know this as it has been discussed to death already. It's always put across as all people are cunts who don't agree with your own take. Wish you'd get over this whole tackling me and not the issue thing like. I'm being honest with my points, if you don't think I'm not being honest then don't reply to me like you say you've already been doing. The people who applauded the post against mine and ManDoon's supposed indecency are desperate for this takeover to happen. Whether you want to frame that as being desperate for Ashley to leave or being desperate for this specific takeover by the Saudi state to happen, it still doesn't put them in any position to tell anyone what is and isn't decent and it doesn't help the argument that it's just desperation for Ashley to leave when there was potentially another offer on the table a few weeks back and folk were saying they'd prefer the Saudis. Sorry, not sure what you mean in that first sentence. I am not tackling you, I am just replying to your comments, as you are the one making them. Also not sure what you mean about being honest or not, nobody is calling you a liar. People can disagree with you though, especially when you put it across so over the top and crass as you do. "It doesn't put them in any position". Well that's compared to your own take. I also don't think anyone who agreed with it should be called fans of baby bombers as you so dramatically replied with for full effect. When you need to start throwing comments like that about it is only for the reason of arguing and not to discuss anything. What I mean by the first sentence is that you seem more concerned with the supposed nefariousness of my posting than what I'm actually posting. As if I'm not really invested in the points I'm making, or that I'm deliberately posting in a dishonest way that's nearer to trollery than inciting debate. And yeah, of course it's based on my own take, I don't think the people who can look at what the Saudi state has done square in the eyes and then justified wanting this takeover to happen are in any position to scold others for not coming up to their own standards of what is and isn't decent. I'm sorry, but I just don't. Everyone can come to their own conclusion about the takeover, just as I have, just as you have, just as everyone else has, but to then go on and try and tell other people what is and isn't morally decent is, imo, a total piss take. You'd think folk who've talked themselves into supporting this takeover, defended their position, and denounced any moral criticism would have the courtesy to not do exactly that to others within the same thread over something that pales in comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I don't think the people who can look at what the Saudi state has done square in the eyes and then justified wanting this takeover to happen are in any position to scold others for not coming up to their own standards of what is and isn't decent. I think it's weird that you dont see how that logic is just as flawed as the whole "well you use twitter/drive a car" argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well that's another 4 pages I haven't bothered to read, did I miss any takeover news? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenC Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well that's another 4 pages I haven't bothered to read, did I miss any takeover news? You did not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well that's another 4 pages I haven't bothered to read, did I miss any takeover news? No. Absolutely none. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choppy Chop Chop Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well that's another 4 pages I haven't bothered to read, did I miss any takeover news? No. Absolutely none. Thank you sir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Walnuts Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I just tend to skim through now unless there’s a tweet amongst it all. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well that's another 4 pages I haven't bothered to read, did I miss any takeover news? George Caulkin tweeted and there was no tone of concern in it; if you take that as an update. It suggested that buyer and seller had had positive 'tip offs'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I just check NUFC360 on Twitter these days. If there’s anything breaking they’ll have it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Yeah, yeah, all shock, horror, and ad homs but not a single substantive counter argument, as usual. Because there is nothing to counter argue about. People know fine and well now, you just pop in here all antagonistic and full of fury, looking for an argument that nobody can be arsed to have with you. The attitude of always jumping in that you are constantly right on all matters doesn't help your cause either and probably why most people just let you get on with it. Nobody wants to argue at all, it only seems to end up that way when you make an appearance. Ehh hold on, I was responding to the people who are desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club trying to lay down to other people what is and isn't decent. If pointing out that I think that's bullshit and they aren't in any position to arbitrate decency makes people uncomfortable, makes me antagonistic, or makes people think I have nefarious reasons for posting, so be it. See, you twist it to come across in your antagonistic way. the bit in bold isn't true though. People are not "desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club". The majority of people are desperate to see the back of Ashley, this doesn't make them fans of "baby bombers" or dying to see "mass murderers", and you know this as it has been discussed to death already. It's always put across as all people are cunts who don't agree with your own take. Wish you'd get over this whole tackling me and not the issue thing like. I'm being honest with my points, if you don't think I'm not being honest then don't reply to me like you say you've already been doing. The people who applauded the post against mine and ManDoon's supposed indecency are desperate for this takeover to happen. Whether you want to frame that as being desperate for Ashley to leave or being desperate for this specific takeover by the Saudi state to happen, it still doesn't put them in any position to tell anyone what is and isn't decent and it doesn't help the argument that it's just desperation for Ashley to leave when there was potentially another offer on the table a few weeks back and folk were saying they'd prefer the Saudis. Sorry, not sure what you mean in that first sentence. I am not tackling you, I am just replying to your comments, as you are the one making them. Also not sure what you mean about being honest or not, nobody is calling you a liar. People can disagree with you though, especially when you put it across so over the top and crass as you do. "It doesn't put them in any position". Well that's compared to your own take. I also don't think anyone who agreed with it should be called fans of baby bombers as you so dramatically replied with for full effect. When you need to start throwing comments like that about it is only for the reason of arguing and not to discuss anything. What I mean by the first sentence is that you seem more concerned with the supposed nefariousness of my posting than what I'm actually posting. As if I'm not really invested in the points I'm making, or that I'm deliberately posting in a dishonest way that's nearer to trollery than inciting debate. And yeah, of course it's based on my own take, I don't think the people who can look at what the Saudi state has done square in the eyes and then justified wanting this takeover to happen are in any position to scold others for not coming up to their own standards of what is and isn't decent. I'm sorry, but I just don't. Everyone can come to their own conclusion about the takeover, just as I have, just as you have, just as everyone else has, but to then go on and try and tell other people what is and isn't morally decent is, imo, a total piss take. I'm actually enjoying debating with you, so don't take it as some kind of personal attack. I don't normally pay much attention to the name that posts when I read and more just what has been said and I respond. I just feel your posts stand out as they always come across in an antagonistic way, instead of a reasoned way. It was not about what you are trying to say. For me, it's more about how you put it across and how you come across when posting it. Especially such inflammatory wording as "Desperate to support baby bombers" etc. It just comes across as a way of arguing (see we have managed to turn this thread into even more filth again. ) Catch you again same time next week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I’m not at all interested in Saudi history. What’s done is done, world leaders didn’t really do anything at the time and now there is nothing to change that. What I’m interested in is the present and future consequences. From a present perspective there are two outcomes: 1. Saudis are allowed to purchase us 2. Saudis fail FPP test I believe that slowly as the Saudis culturally assimilate with the west they will become more progressive and less barbaric. By rejecting their plans they are only going to be more entrenched for a time. They might eventually buy another club too which means we all lose out. Less people in the world will be killed with outcome 1 so in that instance I reluctantly support the takeover Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Holden Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Chill out. Enjoy the sun. Have a beer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I’m not at all interested in Saudi history. What’s done is done, world leaders didn’t really do anything at the time and now there is nothing to change that. What I’m interested in is the present and future consequences. From a present perspective there are two outcomes: 1. Saudis are allowed to purchase us 2. Saudis fail FPP test I believe that slowly as the Saudis culturally assimilate with the west they will become more progressive and less barbaric. By rejecting their plans they are only going to be more entrenched for a time. They might eventually buy another club too which means we all lose out. Less people in the world will be killed with outcome 1 so in that instance I reluctantly support the takeover Pop that in an email to Amnesty and Richard Keys - they'll recant and we'll have new owners by weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I have no sympathy for anyone one that spends money on NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Well now you've done it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I don't think the people who can look at what the Saudi state has done square in the eyes and then justified wanting this takeover to happen are in any position to scold others for not coming up to their own standards of what is and isn't decent. I think it's weird that you dont see how that logic is just as flawed as the whole "well you use twitter/drive a car" argument. Because the chronology didn't start with me coming out of the blocks making a whataboutist point, it's started with the people who have whatever reason to justify their own moral stance on the takeover (which isn't what I'm attacking btw) then turning around and telling someone laughing at the shit heads in our support not getting a refund that they're being indecent. Considering how many times it's been put forward that it's not black and white, that everyone will make their own decision, that no one should be attacked for supporting their club etc - most of which I agree with and I think has been by and large understood- you'd think folk would maybe keep that in mind when they're presented with the context of 'these people verbally abused, spat at, and started on people we know' before 180*-ing on what is and isn't morally decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Yeah, yeah, all shock, horror, and ad homs but not a single substantive counter argument, as usual. Because there is nothing to counter argue about. People know fine and well now, you just pop in here all antagonistic and full of fury, looking for an argument that nobody can be arsed to have with you. The attitude of always jumping in that you are constantly right on all matters doesn't help your cause either and probably why most people just let you get on with it. Nobody wants to argue at all, it only seems to end up that way when you make an appearance. Ehh hold on, I was responding to the people who are desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club trying to lay down to other people what is and isn't decent. If pointing out that I think that's bullshit and they aren't in any position to arbitrate decency makes people uncomfortable, makes me antagonistic, or makes people think I have nefarious reasons for posting, so be it. See, you twist it to come across in your antagonistic way. the bit in bold isn't true though. People are not "desperate for the Saudi state to own their football club". The majority of people are desperate to see the back of Ashley, this doesn't make them fans of "baby bombers" or dying to see "mass murderers", and you know this as it has been discussed to death already. It's always put across as all people are cunts who don't agree with your own take. Wish you'd get over this whole tackling me and not the issue thing like. I'm being honest with my points, if you don't think I'm not being honest then don't reply to me like you say you've already been doing. The people who applauded the post against mine and ManDoon's supposed indecency are desperate for this takeover to happen. Whether you want to frame that as being desperate for Ashley to leave or being desperate for this specific takeover by the Saudi state to happen, it still doesn't put them in any position to tell anyone what is and isn't decent and it doesn't help the argument that it's just desperation for Ashley to leave when there was potentially another offer on the table a few weeks back and folk were saying they'd prefer the Saudis. Sorry, not sure what you mean in that first sentence. I am not tackling you, I am just replying to your comments, as you are the one making them. Also not sure what you mean about being honest or not, nobody is calling you a liar. People can disagree with you though, especially when you put it across so over the top and crass as you do. "It doesn't put them in any position". Well that's compared to your own take. I also don't think anyone who agreed with it should be called fans of baby bombers as you so dramatically replied with for full effect. When you need to start throwing comments like that about it is only for the reason of arguing and not to discuss anything. What I mean by the first sentence is that you seem more concerned with the supposed nefariousness of my posting than what I'm actually posting. As if I'm not really invested in the points I'm making, or that I'm deliberately posting in a dishonest way that's nearer to trollery than inciting debate. And yeah, of course it's based on my own take, I don't think the people who can look at what the Saudi state has done square in the eyes and then justified wanting this takeover to happen are in any position to scold others for not coming up to their own standards of what is and isn't decent. I'm sorry, but I just don't. Everyone can come to their own conclusion about the takeover, just as I have, just as you have, just as everyone else has, but to then go on and try and tell other people what is and isn't morally decent is, imo, a total piss take. I'm actually enjoying debating with you, so don't take it as some kind of personal attack. I don't normally pay much attention to the name that posts when I read and more just what has been said and I respond. I just feel your posts stand out as they always come across in an antagonistic way, instead of a reasoned way. It was not about what you are trying to say. For me, it's more about how you put it across and how you come across when posting it. Especially such inflammatory wording as "Desperate to support baby bombers" etc. It just comes across as a way of arguing (see we have managed to turn this thread into even more filth again. ) Catch you again same time next week? Nah that's fair. Don't for one second think that I don't know I'm shit at making persuasive arguments like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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