TaylorJ_01 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Can't believe how weird the manager's chat has been in response. Tuchel and Klopp just rambling like maniacs to avoid addressing it properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Been pure lurking on this thread for 36 hours now without saying owt, been a canny read and I'm gripped by all of this honestly. There is some twisted satisfaction in seeing it all burn after having the piss ripped out of us as fans of the game for so long. My emptiness towards NUFC has only been growing over recent years so it's nice to finally feel something. The most striking thing for me is the odd comment or inside detail that slips out from any of the vultures responsible for all of this, and how utterly disgusting their attitude towards the world around them is. Such obnoxious views about traditions, communities and history that they don't care about or try to understand. All they want to do is capitalise on it. Football has been on the road to this grotesque mirror image of capitalism gone wild for a long time now but this just takes that sickly feeling you get as a fan to a whole new level. This is much bigger than football - increasingly I'm looking at the world around me exasperated at the inequality, the unfairness and the greed. Good people are being fucked over left, right and centre by billionaire psychopaths and us plebs are at each others throats fighting for the scraps. Money poisons everything and it seems there's no escape from that fact, not even in the sport you used to always be able to rely on for your escapism. If the backlash to this can bring people together then great but I think we've unfortunately all been too nice about this for far too long now and the ship has probably already sailed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: On VAR though, we would need a replacement, because all we did for years was argue for technology, and now people just complain about it. I like it, but I dont like the ridiculous parts of it. It could still be used,but used better. If VAR kept us in the league, nobody would be complaining that particular day. It needs a few tweaks. I mean, the whole offside by a toenail is just stupid. There should be a tolerance level. It also shouldn’t be reviewed by existing referees, it’s like the police force, they’ll rarely go against an on-field decision. It needs to be a highly trained independent panel per game. We've had some decisions go our way that wouldn’t have in previous years and I guess also a few iffy ones too. Its new, needs time to get it right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Fucking hell how many times is Perez going to say "young people have lost interest in football". Perhaps if he says it enough, he might convince himself. Also the Super League will coincidentally be totally immune from such dramatic evaporation of interest of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Any player or manager from the big 6 who doesn’t speak out is a coward and a cnut. It’s as simple as that for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: Fucking hell how many times is Perez going to say "young people have lost interest in football". Perhaps if he says it enough, he might convince himself. Also the Super League will coincidentally be totally immune from such dramatic evaporation of interest of course. Nonsense, Fifa and Pro Evo are doing just fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Interesting point on the finances by Rob Fielder...https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1384262912814899200.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr Jinx said: It needs a few tweaks. I mean, the whole offside by a toenail is just stupid. There should be a tolerance level. It also shouldn’t be reviewed by existing referees, it’s like the police force, they’ll rarely go against an on-field decision. It needs to be a highly trained independent panel per game. We've had some decisions go our way that wouldn’t have in previous years and I guess also a few iffy ones too. Its new, needs time to get it right. Even just reading that made me bored by it, as if VAR provides some sort of incredible, gripping excitement we can't live without. Football is great because it's human. We managed fine before, and it was fun. Ripping the spontaneity away is not conducive to getting youngsters invested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, jdckelly said: theres always a section of idiots in any fanbase who will go along with whatever the club is doing Very true if it was our support the figures would be no better. Would not surprise me if they would be even worse to be honest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, neesy111 said: That youguv survey worried me mind. 21% of fans actually liked the idea which is ridiculous. Not a single fan should like this. Same, but I'm hoping that's ones who hadn't paid much attention or not that into football. "European Super League? Super you say? Aye sounds good." Edited April 19, 2021 by Inferior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Disco said: Interesting point on the finances by Rob Fielder...https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1384262912814899200.html The model was based up on them staying in the domestic leagues. They basically want a more generous champions league which they can be in for eternity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 What's Klopp said exactly post game that's pissed everyone off? Thought his pre game comments were praised? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, toontownman said: What's Klopp said exactly post game that's pissed everyone off? Thought his pre game comments were praised? Just more of the incoherent, overly defensive hot air we've become used to, including a random swipe at Neville, rather than properly addressing/commenting on the only significant issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Just more of the incoherent, overly defensive hot air we've become used to, including a random swipe at Neville, rather than addressing the most/only significant issue. and saying merseyside reds owners are good guys which is clearly false Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Just more of the incoherent, overly defensive hot air we've become used to, including a random swipe at Neville, rather than properly addressing/commenting on the only significant issue. Will seek it out. It obviously harder for him to speak out than the players. Although not quite sure why having said that. Arguably he has more responsibility to speak up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, toontownman said: Will seek it out. It obviously harder for him to speak out than the players. Although not quite sure why having said that. Arguably he has more responsibility to speak up. I’ll call it now if the Super League goes ahead, that all current managers and the vast majority of the players will still be at the 6 clubs. Edited April 19, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Well said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 51 minutes ago, Yorkie said: Just more of the incoherent, overly defensive hot air we've become used to, including a random swipe at Neville, rather than properly addressing/commenting on the only significant issue. He also, unprompted, praised the Liverpool owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Dunno how true this might be but I do think Liverpool may be vulnerable - known for this romanticism, love of fans, You'll Never Walk Alone etc. It's kind of their thing. If they're stuck on 12 teams and can't get PSG, Bayern, Dortmund, Porto etc to enter, the momentum has swung the other way and it's suddenly just a glorified friendly tournament with a Chinese Super League vibe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 City and Chelsea were the two said to have joined last minute. Neither of them need it like the others, wouldn't be shocked if they're the first to give in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 (edited) Chelsea can probably live without it but are the club with the least fan push back seemingly. Given the vast majority of them are idiots. If Spirit of Shankley dont go full on for this then I'll be incredibly disappointed. Annoyingly I think Liverpool are the only fan group of the 6 capable of taking this on and getting a result. Hopefully Neville can whip up a storm and if Ferguson has some stronger words maybe Man United fans can muster up some kind of fucking emotion to have a go back. Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs Ive got no fucking hope for fans pressure wise but I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. And it's time for City fans to prove all of what has seemed empty sentiment so far about their love for the club and the city and community. I don't hold much hope there either, mind. The best chance for pressure is from some of the more grounded and connected clubs and fans not included in the big 6 to make the environment for it so hostile the big 6 have no choice but to run off with their tails between their legs. So us, Leeds, Wolves, Villa, West Ham, Leicester, Everton. The big 6 might think they dont care about the opinions of fans from other clubs now but this is our league and our game and our towns and cities and we have to make them terrified. Its a shame we've lost the passion of the likes of Wednesday, Forest, Birmingham... Christ even Sunderland fans as representation of the emotion of football in this country as they're not in the PL. But all of them as well. If this isnt a united football fans pushback from everyone with as much anger as possible, then we'll end up losing, Maybe not now but not too distant in the future. Kill it dead now and fucking burn the cunts. Edited April 20, 2021 by Super Duper Branko Strupar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ameritoon said: City and Chelsea were the two said to have joined last minute. Neither of them need it like the others, wouldn't be shocked if they're the first to give in. Hadn't heard that. Where's that from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, gazza ladra said: Hadn't heard that. Where's that from? It was mentioned on Football Weekly this morning. Saw someone else in here say it too so not sure if it was reported elsewhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 I'm certain that the very first reporting stated that five English clubs were involved - it seems City signed on very late Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 30 minutes ago, Raconteur said: I'm certain that the very first reporting stated that five English clubs were involved - it seems City signed on very late There were rumblings prior to the announcement that Man City said no but then they were announced with the rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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