The Bonk Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, Raconteur said: I can appreciate the impatience, but I think we should just take a moment to review: For those who say “They’ve had 18 months to plan this”, I’d suggest their plan was “Get Rafa”. And since Rafa became unavailable, we’ve been in legal battles and not updating the “Get Rafa” footballing operation plan. ”Get Jones in” is another easy call - and if Jones wanted it, he would have been boss for Spurs. Either he doesn’t fancy it, or he’s become one of Bruce’s fawning entourage. No one has mentioned Dawson as a caretaker, despite him previously managing the squad though a pre season, but the same applies; there’s no way they didn’t float all internal options. The new owners have been left in no doubt a change is needed, and if the stories about Mehrdad calling manger agents is true, they’re actively trying to make it happen. So I guess I’m saying In quite chilled about Bruce leading us to defeat against Palace and Chelsea. I’m also quite chilled about potentially being 10-12 adrift before the window opens - purely because it’s easy to string a couple of wins into huge rises up the table around the relegation zones. #CabbageHeedOot and all, and it will happen. We’ve waited 14 years, another match or two is insignificant in the bigger scheme of things… Echo all of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Nelson Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, Raconteur said: ”Get Jones in” is another easy call - and if Jones wanted it, he would have been boss for Spurs. Either he doesn’t fancy it, or he’s become one of Bruce’s fawning entourage. No one has mentioned Dawson as a caretaker, despite him previously managing the squad though a pre season, but the same applies; there’s no way they didn’t float all internal options. You dont know this. Its just guessing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joe Nelson said: You dont know this. Its just guessing. Sure, it’s inferring from what I’ve seen. He’s been talked as the standby manager since he walked in the door - it isn’t drawing a long bow to suggest someone in the consortium spoke to Jones about it, before Sunday’s game. And yet Jones didn’t manage against Spurs. ”Guessing”, sure. Do you have a better explanation as to why Jones wasn’t installed for Spurs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Raconteur said: Sure, it’s inferring from what I’ve seen. He’s been talked as the standby manager since he walked in the door - it isn’t drawing a long bow to suggest someone in the consortium spoke to Jones about it, before Sunday’s game. And yet Jones didn’t manage against Spurs. ”Guessing”, sure. Do you have a better explanation as to why Jones wasn’t installed for Spurs? Isn't everyone left guessing why Bruce is still here as well? It is all guess work and there are likely lots of logical reasons he hasn't been removed, more than the negatives thrown out here. It is human nature to hit the panic button and run to the negatives, we have been conditioned to it under Ashley. We are also all trapped in a glass wall of emotion throughout our fanbase (someone else can gif). Even take away what was the most emotional game since SBR's passing imo, we have come so close to this happening, the euphoria of it actually happening when we were reaching our lowest ebb now the excitement has turned to impatience. It will all come soon people. We have agonized long enough to wait a bit more. We should cherish this wild west moment! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I don't understand why a group of people who have been involved in trying to take over a club for so long seemingly have no idea of the people they want running the football side of things. I presumed all of these director of football type roles would have been filled instantly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) On Bruce, out of curiosity, because we were relatively solid pre COVID in 2019-20 I've just been watching the last game before COVID hit where we beat Southampton away 0-1. Looking at our shape, we were playing a 4-2-3-1; Dubravka, Manquillo, Lascelles, Fernandez, Rose, Hayden, Shelvey, Ritchie, Almiron, Saint-Maximin, Gayle. Players in their correct positions, formation suits the team, and before Southampton's red card we were by far the better side and should've been winning. Beggar's belief on why he seems unable to do the same, with a better pool of players to pick from too. Edited October 19, 2021 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, triggs said: I don't understand why a group of people who have been involved in trying to take over a club for so long seemingly have no idea of the people they want running the football side of things. I presumed all of these director of football type roles would have been filled instantly I doubt they've no idea, but give the uncertainty before it happened, and the changing situations of people they might've wanted, it's not like they could really have people lined up and on standby. They might not have dealt with it great but I don't really get how people have the energy after 14 years of Ashley to get worked up about the new owners already. Edited October 19, 2021 by Inferior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I think, given what we know the idea was Benitez would drive a lot of the footballing side. all the advisors PCP have seem to be extremely close to him which says a lot imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think, given what we know the idea was Benitez would drive a lot of the footballing side. all the advisors PCP have seem to be extremely close to him which says a lot imo. This is a really good point actually. Think the idea was for Rafa to pretty much take charge on setting everything up and bringing in the people he wanted, and with he takeover slowing down considerably and Rafa going elsewhere, once it went through all of a sudden they had to start from scratch with alternate plans perhaps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, KaKa said: This is a really good point actually. Think the idea was for Rafa to pretty much take charge on setting everything up and bringing in the people he wanted, and with he takeover slowing down considerably and Rafa going elsewhere, once it went through all of a sudden they had to start from scratch with alternate plans perhaps. Looks to me it might have been the complete opposite of what the media were reporting with PIF being totally dormant and the UK side of the consortium carrying on trying to push it through. Looks to me that PIF were the ones keeping it alive (sorting the piracy) and that the UK side had stopped planning and were awaiting to see what happened with the club’s legal cases (not expected to be resolved until next year) and that the breakthrough with the piracy and the growing pressure of the CAT case suddenly saw the Premier League willing to wave it through. Strong possibility that the events of two weeks ago were as much of a surprise to the UK side of the consortium as it was to us. Granted they knew before we did, but I’m maybe only by a couple of days or so. Edited October 19, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 He's a living, breathing meme but he's absolutely bang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Surprised no CEO or sporting director is in place yet. Knew a manager might take a little longer while we fill these places, but they really need to bring people in on the football side as soon as possible. Was expecting appointments in these roles straight off the bat, not sitting here nearly two weeks later with absolutely nothing changing. Quite surprised by that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 He’s in charge for Palace isn’t he ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Staveley’s said to L’Equipe that they want a replacement confirmed before they sack him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, bowlingcrofty said: Staveley’s said to L’Equipe that they want a replacement confirmed before they sack him. I wish they'd hurry up then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, bowlingcrofty said: Staveley’s said to L’Equipe that they want a replacement confirmed before they sack him. In a normal situation, I can take that. Not when his presence itself is detrimental to the team. Lascelles and Hayden were already fighting after the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Today. Please. FFS please sack him today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 It’s my birthday today, would be a nice present if Bruce left Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUHRLYASLEEVESUP Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, bowlingcrofty said: Staveley’s said to L’Equipe that they want a replacement confirmed before they sack him. Would of preferred Mandy to of made that comment to local media outlets for clarity tbh if she has made it The inertia is crippling for the moral of the players, they look disinterested, demotivated & devoid with him still here, would love to be part of their whatsaap groups Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, bowlingcrofty said: Staveley’s said to L’Equipe that they want a replacement confirmed before they sack him. Got a link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, LV said: Got a link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Its perfectly acceptable to utilise a caretaker, along with the remaining coaching staff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 I believe that Bruce will still be in charge for Palace and probs Chelsea, despite things falling apart behind the scenes. Two heavy defeats to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Surely Jones is basically a ready made caretaker boss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 19, 2021 Share Posted October 19, 2021 Small print of sale “Bruce to be given a “crack” until January”. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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