Manxst Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, duo said: What is making people more confident the takeover is happening? I am curious. If Ashley wins his case he will get a payout - how does that benefit the club? There is no guarantee PIF will come back in. It’s not simply about financial compensation- it is also to get the PL to apply and provide a result for the owners/directors test which they failed to give a verdict on for months. Do you seriously think PIF aren’t still there in the background in all this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, duo said: What is making people more confident the takeover is happening? I am curious. If Ashley wins his case he will get a payout - how does that benefit the club? There is no guarantee PIF will come back in. I agree he gets his payout, but I believe it’s in the form of selling the club. And that’s what he’s after. Lots of talk about getting or destroying evidence in the other thread but I don’t think it ever even gets that far - this will never actually see the courts. I believe this is a play to force the PL to say “yeah we took a second look and everything looks great, takeover approved” to save the PL the embarrassment that is clearly there and not some massive strategy just to get Ashley $$, you just can’t come out and say that as NUFC you have to take it to them as an actual court case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 If the deal goes through for £305 million how much will Ashley have made from Nufc over the past 14 years ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Just now, Ben said: If the deal goes through for £305 million how much will Ashley have made from Nufc over the past 14 years ? We’ll never know, given the free advertising for his other businesses that NUFC do but aren’t paid for. It’s a lot more than just the simple financial cash value. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Manxst said: We’ll never know, given the free advertising for his other businesses that NUFC do but aren’t paid for. It’s a lot more than just the simple financial cash value. Aye your probably right, I wonder if the rumours that Ashley's family will be given a directors box for life as part of the deal are true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ben said: Aye your probably right, I wonder if the rumours that Ashley's family will be given a directors box for life as part of the deal are true. Possibly. As well as having permanent clauses that the stadium be renamed after Mike himself, and the Gallowgate after Wor Brewcie as a last ‘fuck you’ to the fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 One barrier down, six hundred and forty seven to go. Roll on the good times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Manxst said: It’s not simply about financial compensation- it is also to get the PL to apply and provide a result for the owners/directors test which they failed to give a verdict on for months. Do you seriously think PIF aren’t still there in the background in all this? Someone posted this earlier https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_St_James_Summary_060521.pdf I might be interpreting it wrong but it suggests that they did make a decision when it says: The Claimant seeks: ..... (2) An injunction requiring the Defendant to withdraw the Director Decision and/or to reconsider the same. Is it possible they did reject it but it wasn't made public? Edited May 10, 2021 by Wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Wilson said: Someone posted this earlier https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_St_James_Summary_060521.pdf I might be interpreting it wrong but it suggests that they did make a decision when it says: Wasn't it revealed recently that the PL wrote to the club saying it would be knocked back, pretty sure I read that in the last few weeks, but not sure where to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Manxst said: It’s not simply about financial compensation- it is also to get the PL to apply and provide a result for the owners/directors test which they failed to give a verdict on for months. Do you seriously think PIF aren’t still there in the background in all this? Honestly I have no idea - but what I do know if Ashley wins his case he is the only 'guaranteed' winner in this. We're still reliant on 'hope' that it re-awakens the interest of PIF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Their interest is still there, just giving the shit show a wide berth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 20 minutes ago, Wilson said: Someone posted this earlier https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_St_James_Summary_060521.pdf I might be interpreting it wrong but it suggests that they did make a decision when it says: I think the ‘Director decision’ means the decision about MBS/ the Saudi state being a director, not the decision about the outcome of the whole test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 11 minutes ago, Wilson said: Someone posted this earlier https://www.catribunal.org.uk/sites/default/files/2021-05/1402_St_James_Summary_060521.pdf I might be interpreting it wrong but it suggests that they did make a decision when it says: I don't think so, it states that: The Claim states that the Defendant exercised its power to block the Proposed Takeover when it decided between June and September 2020 that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia would be a director exercising “control” over NUFC, for the purposes of the Rules (“the Director Decision”). It's stating that it was the decision that Saudi Arabia would be a director, not that it was blocked by disqualifying the proposed directors, which would be effect of a formal decision. We know from what was said by the PL in response to Ashley's statement in September that the PL made determinations in June and September that Saudi Arabia would be a director, but didn't make a formal decision disqualifying the other directors, so I think that is what is being referred to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Comparing this to Man City is getting ahead of ourselves, we don’t know what kind of business model the consortium might potentially follow. If Rafa Benitez is involved, his pipe dream of building up a whole youth system and top academy is far more exciting than just going and buying success imho.. We know he can do more with less than the other “top” managers. A couple of solid signings to go with the decent ones we already have at the club and year on year steady progress would do all of us I think? Right now the club is really only set up for buying success for the first team, the infrastructure is not there to do the rest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: It's stating that it was the decision that Saudi Arabia would be a director, not that it was blocked by disqualifying the proposed directors, which would be effect of a formal decision. Fair one, think I'm just caught up on the fact that they are blatantly blocking it, without saying so. I realise this is the crux of the whole fucking saga Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Had forgot NDM was representing Derby in their case too. Seems he isn’t bulletproof after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 Fucking announce the takeover ya set of wankas, we've had enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 9 hours ago, Anderson said: Had forgot NDM was representing Derby in their case too. Seems he isn’t bulletproof after all. According to some he is unbeatable and would only take on a case if he was guaranteed to win. Maybe his bread tweets were in relation to Derby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 29 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: According to some he is unbeatable and would only take on a case if he was guaranteed to win. Maybe his bread tweets were in relation to Derby. Aye some on here just can’t resist digging around for negatives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, FloydianMag said: Aye some on here just can’t resist digging around for negatives. To be fair countless times manor park used NDM and team as sole reason the takeover was 100% happening “look who Ashley has hired” “these people are winners” seems reasonable to point out he can lose cases too. I’m in a positive mood today none the less Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 hour ago, FloydianMag said: Aye some on here just can’t resist digging around for negatives. Sorry. Can’t be realistic in the proper takeover thread now either It’ll end up like RAWK soon. Banned unless you stand in the street ringing a bell bellowing ‘good times are coming’. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 41 minutes ago, gdm said: To be fair countless times manor park used NDM and team as sole reason the takeover was 100% happening “look who Ashley has hired” “these people are winners” seems reasonable to point out he can lose cases too. I’m in a positive mood today none the less I mean, he hasn't actually lost the Derby case has he. It's just being re-examined. They'll still probably come out of it with no action against them. But on the general view, I do agree with you. Of course he could lose. Hanging all hopes on it is a bit daft. Just got to trust in the process, not the people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maze Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 My online subscription to EPL expires today. Won’t renew it unless there’s a takeover happening before the upcoming season. Then I might sign up. So this is pretty much it! Relax, I know… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishops Finger Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 59 minutes ago, gdm said: To be fair countless times manor park used NDM and team as sole reason the takeover was 100% happening “look who Ashley has hired” “these people are winners” seems reasonable to point out he can lose cases too. I’m in a positive mood today none the less No one is going to win every case though are they? He's still probably better than we could have hoped for so if anyone can win it, he can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bishops Finger said: No one is going to win every case though are they? He's still probably better than we could have hoped for so if anyone can win it, he can That’s exactly my point. It’s ludicrous to think it’s 100% getting done because it’s NDM. It comes down to the facts in the case not the people presenting the facts. However yes, a good legal team obviously helps Edited May 12, 2021 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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