Eddie Howe

[Shearergol]

Why was Howe so rubbish at Burnley by the way? They had Ings and Rodriguez banging them in but still did fuck all in the championship.

[Wolfcastle]

Just now, ManDoon said:

I see we are at the “any criticism is bedwetting” stage. Funny, used to see a lot of that on RTG. 

 

Any other consortium but theoretically 'the richest' in the world, very few would argue its not been a very poor show so far and that would be based on nothing but blind-faith.

Still benefit of the doubt for being new but we wouldn't have gave McKeag the same for the exact same scenario in 88 (2nd bottom, November, drag out new manager search, turned down, underwhelming appointment in the end)

[clintdempsey]

Surely we can't have taken three weeks to talk to a host of candidates, narrow them down to a shortlist and NOT have spoken about contract, transfers, structure and so on?

Reading between the lines in regards to Emery we seemingly haven't talked to Villareal, haven't offered him a contract or given him the assurances needed to make the move.

 

It sounds an awful lot like amateur hour in my opinion. I mean even in my profession you get the framework for the deal done early in the process and then pick and choose from a number of candidates.

Surely we can't be that bad? Or can we?

[Dokko]

Just now, The Prophet said:

 

Not a miracle no, but there's plenty of evidence there's a good coach in there. Plenty would have failed, cash injection or not.

Wilder did more on a lot less. Would you take him? Same as Lambert with Norwich?

 

Howe has only 'performed' at one club.with no pressure on him. In fact the 1st time he felt pressure his team collapsed. 

[Dokko]

1 minute ago, ManDoon said:

Yeah this is a bad look for whoever comes in now as they are basically seen as someone they “settled” for. A mess of a situation. 

This is why I think we should go for Rafa. We can hide behind lots of reasons it didn't happen sooner. 

[Shak]

I mean, why the fuck are they letting Lee Charnley do anything?

[Sima]

2 minutes ago, clintdempsey said:

Surely we can't have taken three weeks to talk to a host of candidates, narrow them down to a shortlist and NOT have spoken about contract, transfers, structure and so on?

Reading between the lines in regards to Emery we seemingly haven't talked to Villareal, haven't offered him a contract or given him the assurances needed to make the move.

 

It sounds an awful lot like amateur hour in my opinion. I mean even in my profession you get the framework for the deal done early in the process and then pick and choose from a number of candidates.

Surely we can't be that bad? Or can we?

 

If it is still Charnley leading that side (I find that hard to believe) then absolutely we can be.

[Chicane]

Just now, Shak said:

I mean, why the fuck are they letting Lee Charnley do anything?

 

This has to be the biggest worry of all regarding the conduct of the new owners

 

He should've been out the door right with the cabbage

[Guest reefatoon]

This leak is such a shit show. All it has done is pile a shed load of extra pressure on Howe (if it is him coming in), as people now fancy him even less after having Emery dangled in front of them. Whoever leaked this needs booted out.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by reefatoon

[worthy]

Yeah, I wonder what the reasoning to keep a ticket booth manager around and letting that person do the negotiations if the rumors are true..

[Dan Gleebals]

15 minutes ago, Big Geordie said:

nufc.com are laying the blame for this fuck up, squarely at the door of Lee Charnley.

 

I'm amazed the buffoon is still employed by NUFC. Balls to helping with a handover.

 

No way are they letting Charnley do the negotiations. No way.  I think they got that wrong.

[Wolfcastle]

5 minutes ago, worthy said:

I see that people are talking about, they are not football people, they just came in, everything got sprung on them. But these are business people no? You would think that there would be plans regardless, you would think that they had things layed out even if they were waiting. So there is something behind the scenes playing out. If not, I would question their business prowess in regards to anything.

 

Exactly. You hire someone that knows about the business you've just bought even if just for an interim period.  What owners ever are football people?

Honestly just assumed that's exactly what they'd do straight away.

[gdm]

5 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

Why was Howe so rubbish at Burnley by the way? They had Ings and Rodriguez banging them in but still did fuck all in the championship.

Because he’s really not that good 

[The Prophet]

1 minute ago, Shak said:

I mean, why the fuck are they letting Lee Charnley do anything?

 

I'm not defending the decision by any means, but he's been running the day to day operations if the club for the last few years, he probably has more experience than any of the consortium in football related matters. 

 

It goes to show how badly we need CEO and a sporting director.

[Guest reefatoon]

Just now, worthy said:

Yeah, I wonder what the reasoning to keep a ticket booth manager around and letting that person do the negotiations if the rumors are true..

 

 

We don't know why he is still here or what the plans for him are as the consortium seem to have pulled up the drawbridge up since the takeover. Zero communication.

[christ]

6 minutes ago, Carlito said:

He improved Everton's league position and points tally over what Moyes had achieved in the previous season (72 over Moyes' 63). Bruce didn't do that here.

Do you think Howe would do any better managing the Belgium squad?

And he had Lukaku, unlike Moyes.

 

I’ve watched enough football. There’s nothing you can say that can talk me round here. He’s shite.

[Thomson Mouse]

11 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I see we are at the “any criticism is bedwetting” stage. Funny, used to see a lot of that on RTG. 

 

Nope, but the hysterical retractions are laughable 

[Carlito]

1 minute ago, christ said:

And he had Lukaku, unlike Moyes.

 

I’ve watched enough football. There’s nothing you can say that can talk me round here. He’s shite.

So is Howe

 

Between the two, Martinez is the better manager. I wouldn't want either here but if it's between those names then Martinez is the better appointment.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by Carlito

[Village Idiot]

48 minutes ago, Collage said:

I’m not so sure Emery would have taken it anyway in the end. Would always be hard to leave a CL club for a relegation fight.

 

Ultimately, I think that's the reason why Emery turned you down. Villarreal are probably the best run club in Spain, and they are in the CL. Yes, with your new owners you have lots of potential, but right now you're still in the shit and there are lots of unknowns.

 

Don't go with Robert Martínez though. That dude's a fraud, I was livid when people were linking it with us earlier in the season.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by Village Idiot

[54]

Just now, gdm said:

Because he’s really not that good 

Or because his mother was terminally ill in hospital, and he admitted he couldn't deal with the emotions that that entails, along with travelling continuous to go and see her, as well as being away from family for 80% of the time on his own.

[The Prophet]

5 minutes ago, Dokko said:

Wilder did more on a lot less. Would you take him? Same as Lambert with Norwich?

 

Howe has only 'performed' at one club.with no pressure on him. In fact the 1st time he felt pressure his team collapsed. 

 

I'm just going on the evidence we have before us. With Howe, there's way more good than bad.

 

I'll admit to not liking Wilder as a bloke and Lambert was a fucking disaster at Villa, despite a good spell at Norwich.

[Tiresias]

Just get someone in soon this has all the makings of a farcical relegation season with us a laughing stock right now. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, Village Idiot said:

 

Ultimately, I think that's the reason why Emery turned you down. Villarreal are probably the best run club in Spain, and they are in the CL. Yes, with your new owners you have lots of potential, but you're still a mess.

 

Don't go with Robert Martínez though. That dude's a fraud, I was livid when people were linking it with us earlier in the season.

 

He went to the same Lyle Lanley School of Football Manager PR that Pardew went to. 

[Big Geordie]

7 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said:

 

Any other consortium but theoretically 'the richest' in the world, very few would argue its not been a very poor show so far and that would be based on nothing but blind-faith.

Still benefit of the doubt for being new but we wouldn't have gave McKeag the same for the exact same scenario in 88 (2nd bottom, November, drag out new manager search, turned down, underwhelming appointment in the end)

 

McKeag went after Howard Kendall (he was at Athletico Bilbao) - got turned down. Also got turned down by ex Celtic boss, David Hay. Anyone else I've missed out from then?

[Teasy]

Great that we've now got very ambitious people at the top instead of someone actively trying to hold the club down.  But they can't be expected to know how to run the Football side of things, so its probably going to be a bit hit and miss until they get a structure of experienced professionals in.  Obviously the big problem is the need to get things sorted fast because of potential relegation.  They may have to settle for a good enough choice for the moment like Howe and some experienced players in January just to get to next season.  Then work on bringing in a long term structure and then the manager they really want sometime after that.

 

 

Edited November 3, 2021 by Teasy