Cronky Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I don't think Rice is sufficiently better than the CMs that we already have, to make it worth the fee, which would be huge. Longstaff is improving game by game, which is a further consideration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Just now, Cronky said: I don't think Rice is sufficiently better than the CMs that we already have, to make it worth the fee, which would be huge. Longstaff is improving game by game, which is a further consideration. He would be a massive upgrade and allow Bruno to play higher up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Rice is a far better player than Longstaff will ever be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 This place man. Murphy better than Maddison and Pulsic. Longstaff anywhere near as good as Rice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 There's some weird folk, like. Like peas stop to think before posting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, TBG said: There's some weird folk, like. Like peas stop to think before posting. That's pudding it mildly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Rice is a far better player than Longstaff will ever be. I think that's putting it way too strongly, especially when Longstaff is emerging from a very diffident period in his development. And there's Anderson waiting for his chance. Howe could encourage Rice to be a more positive force, but with all the names that get linked with Rice, ours never seems to figure. I suspect that Howe doesn't see him as worth the money, given the other priorities. There are other areas of the team which are more cost effective to improve. We don't really have a player like Maddison or Pulisic, and we need a third striker to replace Wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 58 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: Rice is a far better player than Longstaff will ever be. Yeah, I know they got compared a lot during Longstaff's breakthrough season under Rafa, and back then it may have been closer, but today Rice is a much better CM than Longstaff. I like Sean Longstaff. I'm pleased he has really kicked on under Eddie, and I think thanks to being from the academy he will likely be in the squad for a good while, but lets be realistic with his level. Rice would be a huge step up. Even Kalvin Philips who was linked to us before he went to City would be a decent step up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Probable bollocks but that would be a steal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Jack27 said: Probable bollocks but that would be a steal JFDI - and bin Fraser while we're at it, surely could get a couple of million for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slim Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: JFDI - and bin Fraser while we're at it, surely could get a couple of million for him. Sure we can get a new commercial partner to cover that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I feel like that £40m was the pre-world cup price. Surely it would be up closer to £60m now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Aye just got £60m and get it done while others consider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Am I the only one not convinced by him at all? Can't work out what position he's supposed to play - and not in a good way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Am I the only one not convinced by him at all? Can't work out what position he's supposed to play - and not in a good way. I think he would struggle in the prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 He’s a similar hybrid attacker like Depay, Bergwijn and the like, no? Anywhere across front 3 etc? Could use some Howe coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, ponsaelius said: Am I the only one not convinced by him at all? Can't work out what position he's supposed to play - and not in a good way. Seen a couple of games now where he's gone completely missing. Only going like and there's plenty of potential there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Thought Gakpo was off to Man United? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Always very nervous of the Dutch forwards but I haven't seen Gakpo that much TBF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 (edited) You could get better midfielders for a fraction of what Rice would cost abroad. He really is a mystery to me, I’ve seen people putting him in their WC team of the tournament. I don’t see what others are seeing. Edited December 14, 2022 by Kimbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 I think we would be more likely to go for moises Caicedo than Rice, about half the fee and played well in the WC too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kimbo said: You could get better midfielders for a fraction of what Rice would cost abroad. He really is a mystery to me, I’ve seen people putting him in their WC team of the tournament. I don’t see what others are seeing. I’m not as far a long as you but I’m not seeing that price tag either. I thought he was a good defensive midfielder in the tournament but for that price tag there’s got to be more than that. There was a good thread on twitter that I can’t find now about how he takes up poor positions to receive the ball and that’s pretty key for that role in my opinion. I don’t think he advances the ball particularly well either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, St1pe said: I’m not as far a long as you but I’m not seeing that price tag either. I thought he was a good defensive midfielder in the tournament but for that price tag there’s got to be more than that. There was a good thread on twitter that I can’t find now about how he takes up poor positions to receive the ball and that’s pretty key for that role in my opinion. I don’t think he advances the ball particularly well either. If we’re talking about Rice he sometimes takes up the McTominay position of being unavailable for an easy pass. Almost always plays it back where it’s came from too. Bruno when receiving the ball short will always try and turn/have a pass in mind before taking the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, St1pe said: I’m not as far a long as you but I’m not seeing that price tag either. I thought he was a good defensive midfielder in the tournament but for that price tag there’s got to be more than that. There was a good thread on twitter that I can’t find now about how he takes up poor positions to receive the ball and that’s pretty key for that role in my opinion. I don’t think he advances the ball particularly well either. Eddie's success with a midfield which has no defensive midfield players does prompt a bit of a debate anyway. The current trend is for a high press winning the ball upfield, so how valuable is the sort of defensive midfield player who just acts as a shield to the back four, like another centre back? Rice strikes me as a hybrid CB/DM, and whilst he's a good version of that type, I'd like us to go for someone with more pace and mobility, if we go for a DM at all. That young Argentinian lad who we've been linked with seemed a better fit. And besides, the prices I've seen touted for Rice have been around £100m. Given where our priorities lie, and given our finances, that's surely not worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Rice is suffering under Moyes and Southgate. His development has stalled. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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