Cronky Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 minute ago, NWMag said: Pope got booked for it they said on sky Good. I guess a yellow is only really effective if you're prepared to issue a second one. I can't wait for the fuss when that first happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiesteve710 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Cronky said: I'm fine with the kicker stuttering their run. As far as I know, it's not against the laws and I would see it as part of the taker's range of possible skills. I think it's only when the taker actually stops completely that the law is infringed? I just think putting the kicker off is getting out of hand. It all seems to have taken off after Krul successfully put a couple of opponents off during a penalty shoot out during the 2018 World Cup. And the trouble it seems to work. Issue a yellow, and then a red if necessary. That would stop it. At the moment, refs seem powerless. Been going on for as long as I can remember to some degree. Google Grobelaar spaghetti legs for example. All part of the penalty psychology for me. Don't see why anyone should be told where they can or can't stand while the penalty is being prepared, but if the keeper is still standing after the ref has told him to move back to his line then aye, a yellow card is clearly appropriate then. Same topic but slightly different- saw an interesting video last year about Chelsea and Liverpool countering the defending team's attempts to put the taker off by having one player grab the ball and pretend he is taking it, takes all the verbal, then someone else actually takes it. Clever. Putting my pedant hat on I think Krul was 2014 wasn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 I just don’t see how any of this stuff detracts from the entertainment of the game. The psychological battle and the mind games between the keeper and penalty taker just adds another layer to them and amplifies the drama. I think Ramsdale looks like a total whopper doing his Party Boy dance on set pieces but I’ve got no real interest in arguing that he should be stopped from doing it, or that it ruins the spirit of the game or out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paullow Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Surprised that was only Pope's 3rd yellow of the season to be honest. I was thinking reaching 10 by the next cut off (if there is one), and a possible 2 match ban, would have been a possibility, but should be OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, geordiesteve710 said: Been going on for as long as I can remember to some degree. Google Grobelaar spaghetti legs for example. All part of the penalty psychology for me. Don't see why anyone should be told where they can or can't stand while the penalty is being prepared, but if the keeper is still standing after the ref has told him to move back to his line then aye, a yellow card is clearly appropriate then. Same topic but slightly different- saw an interesting video last year about Chelsea and Liverpool countering the defending team's attempts to put the taker off by having one player grab the ball and pretend he is taking it, takes all the verbal, then someone else actually takes it. Clever. Putting my pedant hat on I think Krul was 2014 wasn't it? That's what Fulham did yesterday, as I'm sure Reid had the ball and then he gave it to Mitro Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 To be fair, I think there's a big distinction between doing wobbly legs or sledging, and manipulating the rules to cause stoppages via throwing extra balls on etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Cronky said: I'm fine with the kicker stuttering their run. As far as I know, it's not against the laws and I would see it as part of the taker's range of possible skills. I think it's only when the taker actually stops completely that the law is infringed? I just think putting the kicker off is getting out of hand. It all seems to have taken off after Krul successfully put a couple of opponents off during a penalty shoot out during the 2018 World Cup. And the trouble it seems to work. Issue a yellow, and then a red if necessary. That would stop it. At the moment, refs seem powerless. Don't understand that, like (those highlighted). So its ok for a kicker to stutter on his run up, in the hope the keeper dives early one way so he can put it to the other (empty) side. Yet a keeper trying to play mind game against the kicker is bad craic? A penalty has turned into a bit of a mind game, so if one is ok to try and gain an advanatge (the kicker) why not the keeper? Edited January 17, 2023 by TK-421 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Is there any actual footage of Wilson scuffing up the penalty spot? Seems a bit too far if that is what happened. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Fulham are every bit as bad as their yellow card record attests. Fight and win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Scuffing penalty spots is too far. Throwing the ball away like Martinez is too far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Is there any actual footage of Wilson scuffing up the penalty spot? Seems a bit too far if that is what happened. I thought this at the time but didn't see anything made of it so thought he mustn't have done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Didn't noticec any of that and replays seem to show a perfectly normal spot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eveready Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) Keepers messing with penalty takers makes them far more interesting. Not like there's any 'honour' or anything in any other part of the game, don't get why they should be any different. Scuffing up the spot isn't mind games or messing with people and too far though imo. Edited January 17, 2023 by Eveready Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 Play like a soft little gent and you'll get walked all over by the smarter teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 4 hours ago, geordiesteve710 said: Been going on for as long as I can remember to some degree. Google Grobelaar spaghetti legs for example. All part of the penalty psychology for me. Don't see why anyone should be told where they can or can't stand while the penalty is being prepared, but if the keeper is still standing after the ref has told him to move back to his line then aye, a yellow card is clearly appropriate then. Same topic but slightly different- saw an interesting video last year about Chelsea and Liverpool countering the defending team's attempts to put the taker off by having one player grab the ball and pretend he is taking it, takes all the verbal, then someone else actually takes it. Clever. Putting my pedant hat on I think Krul was 2014 wasn't it? I actually saw a video on TikTok the day before our match where Villa were doing the same thing recently, Ashley Young taking the mental and verbal mind games before Danny Ings took spotkick and scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomson Mouse Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, TK-421 said: Don't understand that, like (those highlighted). So its ok for a kicker to stutter on his run up, in the hope the keeper dives early one way so he can put it to the other (empty) side. Yet a keeper trying to play mind game against the kicker is bad craic? A penalty has turned into a bit of a mind game, so if one is ok to try and gain an advanatge (the kicker) why not the keeper? As far as I’m aware the penalty taker can slow down as long as they don’t stop and the keeper can do basically anything as long as they don’t move forward of the goal line (I know!). The other incidents have happened for a while so until they’re expressly forbidden then Edited January 17, 2023 by Thomson Mouse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Thomson Mouse said: As far as I’m aware the penalty taker can slow down as long as they don’t stop and the keeper can do basically anything as long as they don’t move forward of the goal line (I know!). The other incidents have happened for a while so until they’re expressly forbidden then :shrug: First I remember of the 'stuttering' was when John Aldridge started doing it after he'd played for Real Sociedad, and it definitely looks more like a stop than a slowing of his run. He probably learned and started doing it after his penalty miss in the Cup Final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 hours ago, TK-421 said: Don't understand that, like (those highlighted). So its ok for a kicker to stutter on his run up, in the hope the keeper dives early one way so he can put it to the other (empty) side. Yet a keeper trying to play mind game against the kicker is bad craic? A penalty has turned into a bit of a mind game, so if one is ok to try and gain an advanatge (the kicker) why not the keeper? 100% agree with you and I made the same point when Martinez was getting pelters in the World Cup final. "Oh no, he threw the ball away and I had to go and get it!" I think some of the stuttering that is allowed is too close to just feigning a kick before putting it the other way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 17, 2023 Share Posted January 17, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, TK-421 said: Don't understand that, like (those highlighted). So its ok for a kicker to stutter on his run up, in the hope the keeper dives early one way so he can put it to the other (empty) side. Yet a keeper trying to play mind game against the kicker is bad craic? A penalty has turned into a bit of a mind game, so if one is ok to try and gain an advanatge (the kicker) why not the keeper? I would see that breaking up the rhythm of the run up is just a way of making it difficult for the keeper to time his dive, by making it difficult to anticipate when or how the taker is going to kick the ball. Bit like shooting towards one corner of the goal while looking at another, or swerving the body to make it look you're going to pass an opponent on one side, and then going the other. It's an extension of the skills, feints and tricks on the ball which are a normal part of the game, as far as I'm concerned. As for the mind games, I don't expect professional sportsmen to be saints, but it can go too far. Referees have to have some sanction. It also shows disrespect for your opponent. At the end of the day, it is a game that we're playing and it's unhealthy if we completely lose sight of that. What goes on in the professional game filters down, and children and young people need to be shown good manners and - to coin the old phrase - good sportsmanship. Edited January 17, 2023 by Cronky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) Moorphy Edited January 24, 2023 by The Butcher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Can’t help but feel he will be waiting for him in the tunnel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Can’t help but feel he will be waiting for him in the tunnel. That's all I could imagine him saying as I watched him yap back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I didn’t like Bruno celebrating the red card in the guy’s face like, or the Murphy antics. I like shithousery but once the damage is done you don’t need to lay it on thick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Our shithousery is nothing to be proud of tbh. I like the aggression, passion and desire to win. We can have all that without being a dick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) You're wrong but that's fine. They were fouling all game. Deserved antics. Edited January 24, 2023 by nemtizz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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