TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 And yes, we played pretty well in the first half. We still lost 3-0. Exactly this team is in deep shit and some people on here are either blind, sheep or totally clueless. Or they are talking about this game and not the running of the club in general. We were good up until the sending off. If I thought it was justified I could accept the argument that we brought it on ourselves, but we didn't. We were robbed in this game specifically, and I'm not talking about the other 6 losses which are irrelevant here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsley Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Clubs have players sent off all the time, often unfairly. People make it sound like this is a totally unexpected occurance that meant we automatically forfeited getting anything from the match. A match against the worst team in the country. There are no excuses. You don't think that wrongly being down to 10 men and a goal down is a legitimate excuse? As s*** as Sunderland are, that's a substantial handicap. Even then, we were still playing all the football until they grabbed a fluky second. We went onto the field with a substantial handicap. It's called non-investment and failure to address the real issues facing the squad in favour of prioritising short-term profit. Do you think Sunderland are a well-run club by comparison like? I'm not disagreeing with you, but they are just as rudderless, inept and apathetic at the top as we are. It was a match between two laughably run football clubs, decided on a whim by an awful call. As much as I dislike Ashley, the club's business model and all the rest of it, it can't explain every single defeat or shit refereeing decision that comes our way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Clubs have players sent off all the time, often unfairly. People make it sound like this is a totally unexpected occurance that meant we automatically forfeited getting anything from the match. A match against the worst team in the country. There are no excuses. You don't think that wrongly being down to 10 men and a goal down is a legitimate excuse? As s*** as Sunderland are, that's a substantial handicap. Even then, we were still playing all the football until they grabbed a fluky second. We went onto the field with a substantial handicap. It's called non-investment and failure to address the real issues facing the squad in favour of prioritising short-term profit. Do you think Sunderland are a well-run club by comparison like? I'm not disagreeing with you, but they are just as rudderless, inept and apathetic at the top as we are. It was a match between two laughably run football clubs, decided on a whim by an awful call. As much as I dislike Ashley, the club's business model and all the rest of it, it can't explain every single defeat or shit refereeing decision that comes our way. Six in a row is an incredible coincidence if there's not some underlying reason behind it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 The don't explain it per se. But a bad refereeing call doesn't entirely break the chain of causation when virtually any other PL defender deals with that situation with ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 And yes, we played pretty well in the first half. We still lost 3-0. Exactly this team is in deep shit and some people on here are either blind, sheep or totally clueless. Or you just have an agenda, and despite clear evidence against that agenda youll ignore it and carry on stating that opinion like it's fact, and if people oppose that opinion you'll just insult them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Clubs have players sent off all the time, often unfairly. People make it sound like this is a totally unexpected occurance that meant we automatically forfeited getting anything from the match. A match against the worst team in the country. There are no excuses. You don't think that wrongly being down to 10 men and a goal down is a legitimate excuse? As s*** as Sunderland are, that's a substantial handicap. Even then, we were still playing all the football until they grabbed a fluky second. We went onto the field with a substantial handicap. It's called non-investment and failure to address the real issues facing the squad in favour of prioritising short-term profit. Do you think Sunderland are a well-run club by comparison like? I'm not disagreeing with you, but they are just as rudderless, inept and apathetic at the top as we are. It was a match between two laughably run football clubs, decided on a whim by an awful call. As much as I dislike Ashley, the club's business model and all the rest of it, it can't explain every single defeat or shit refereeing decision that comes our way. Six in a row is an incredible coincidence if there's not some underlying reason behind it. I don't think your being fair if you compare the previous six with this one like. I think the worst thing about those defeats was that we deserved them. Yes we lost 3-0 in the end but that was never happening without the red card. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Clubs have players sent off all the time, often unfairly. People make it sound like this is a totally unexpected occurance that meant we automatically forfeited getting anything from the match. A match against the worst team in the country. There are no excuses. You don't think that wrongly being down to 10 men and a goal down is a legitimate excuse? As shit as Sunderland are, that's a substantial handicap. Even then, we were still playing all the football until they grabbed a fluky second. There was nothing fluky about the second, it was plain rank defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 On a side note, I hope horrible things happen to Adam Johnson in prison. He's such a cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Got the shock of my life when I saw the full-time score. I saw the first 30 minutes and thought we were in total control. We'd forced two really good chances that both fell to that carthorse Colback, who fluffed them both. Couldn't believe it when I saw the score a couple of hours later. Can I assume we dominated the first half, then completely fell to pieces after the hammerblow in stoppage time? Nope. We controlled most of the game. They scored with their only 3 shots on target. Second goal was a major deflection from a set piece and the third was after we had over committed trying to get a goal late on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Clubs have players sent off all the time, often unfairly. People make it sound like this is a totally unexpected occurance that meant we automatically forfeited getting anything from the match. A match against the worst team in the country. There are no excuses. You don't think that wrongly being down to 10 men and a goal down is a legitimate excuse? As s*** as Sunderland are, that's a substantial handicap. Even then, we were still playing all the football until they grabbed a fluky second. We went onto the field with a substantial handicap. It's called non-investment and failure to address the real issues facing the squad in favour of prioritising short-term profit. Do you think Sunderland are a well-run club by comparison like? I'm not disagreeing with you, but they are just as rudderless, inept and apathetic at the top as we are. It was a match between two laughably run football clubs, decided on a whim by an awful call. As much as I dislike Ashley, the club's business model and all the rest of it, it can't explain every single defeat or s*** refereeing decision that comes our way. Six in a row is an incredible coincidence if there's not some underlying reason behind it. I don't think your being fair if you compare the previous six with this one like. I think the worst thing about those defeats was that we deserved them. Yes we lost 3-0 in the end but that was never happening without the red card. Which is why this one hurts. We for once seemed up for it and in control but completely shot ourselves in the foot with a moment of stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I've always hated the penalty/straight red combo* and today proved why. Even if it's the right decision - obviously todays was shambolic - it changes the game significantly. Too much ruined by one decision. * unless it's a handball on the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I've always hated the penalty/straight red combo* and today proved why. Even if it's the right decision - obviously todays was shambolic - it changes the game significantly. Too much ruined by one decision. * unless it's a handball on the line. It was the wrong decision because there was no goal scoring opportunity. Elliot had it covered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I've always hated the penalty/straight red combo* and today proved why. Even if it's the right decision - obviously todays was shambolic - it changes the game significantly. Too much ruined by one decision. * unless it's a handball on the line. The goalscoring opportunity is immediately reimbursed with the penalty, too. Obviously this discussion only comes up when one goes against you, but it's a bad rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 one upon a time, it was really only used if a player was totally rinsed when through, now seems applied to any challenge- ridiculous tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 one upon a time, it was really only used if a player was totally rinsed when through, now seems applied to any challenge- ridiculous tbh. Exactly, as many rules these days it comes from something logical but has become bastardised. Straight red for a deliberate foul as the last man makes complete sense. See Solskjaer on Rob Lee. But stuff like constant straight reds plus pens for keepers because they are clumsy and obviously provide the last line of defending is dumb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I've never seen a straight red for a shoulder charge before and I'll bet not one person here has either. Fletcher didn't even have the ball they were both chasing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I'd like an appeal to go in against the sending off. That said, Colo is a liability at the moment. Another Charnley/Ashley masterstroke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It would be typical of Sourness to be saying it was the right decision to send him off. Absolute detestable cunt and it's a complete piss take that they have him and Niall Quinn covering all of our matches on Sky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Absolutely zero chance an appeal would win. Past evidence suggests the FA go by what the studio pundits say and Souness was all for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Tbf Martin tyler mentioned it during commentary of Man Utd/Man City. Called it a decision you dont see at any level in the football league essentially. Fairly sure others will see it as a joke, the bbc are reporting it as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy84 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 F****** sickening this. Of course we aren't without fault, we all know about the deep rooted issues in our squad especially defensively but it doesn't change the fact that we have actually put a performance in for the first time in years and lost again. That game was going our way, end of story. We were so comfortable and as it wore on into the 2nd half they would have become increasingly nervous imo. The previous defeats we have been just plain s***. We just needed to raise our performance and the result would follow is what I thought before it started. Just makes this defeat and the whole day just even more miserable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Groundhog day - again mackems 3 Newcastle 0 Another new mackem manager used the wear-Tyne derby to register their first victory and again Newcastle were on the wrong side of a 0-3 defeat that simply defies logic and belief. The fact that it was former boss, fat-headed Sam Allardyce, made it even more galling but it was a game that United dominated from start to finish and should have won comfortably. The derby Gods once again conspired with the forces of darkness and turned referee Bobby Madley into the biggest homer since the Iliad. His decision to send off Fabricio Coloccini and award a penalty in first half stoppage time was absolutely staggering and completely changed the course of the game that seemingly had only one conclusion. Rob Elliot was slow off his line and Coloccini's shoulder charge was unnecessary but how the officials managed to decide that the diving Steven Fletcher had been denied a goalscoring opportunity was scandalous. Adam Johnson - currently awaiting trial after being charged for sexual activity with an underage girl - dispatched the spot-kick to give the home side a half-time lead that couldn't have been less-deserved. With the referee still favouring the home side's thuggish tactics - Lee Cattermole somehow avoiding even a caution when he should have seen red - Jack Colback was a victim of one of the midfielder's assaults. Colback had already been booked for protesting about the goal and would have missed our game against Stoke City for reaching five yellows. Cheick Tiote had also been cautioned and was replaced by Jamaal Lascelles at the break. But even with ten men (nine while Colback was off the pitch injured), Steve McClaren's side continued to dominate and Aleksandar Mitrovic had a golden opportunity to level the scores but allowed Costel Pantilimon to save after side-stepping a defender. Madley continued to look completely out of his depth and even called over Cattermole to point out his previous assaults before failing to show a card. Incredible. Billy Jones bundled home a second after 65 minutes to all but seal the result but even then, there were chances for Georginio Wijnaldum, Ayoze Perez and substitute Florian Thauvin before Steven Fletcher got the third on the break. At least on this occasion the travelling fans' anger wasn't directed against their own club, although Thauvin's substitute appearance was pathetic, particularly in losing possession for the third goal. And apart from Mitrovic still looking sluggish on occasions it was a performance that had many positives. But, as always in this fixture, the result is the only thing that matters and unfortunately McClaren has followed in his predecessors' footsteps. Given the awfulness of the home side, there may only be one more opportunity to halt this run of derby defeats. March can't come quick enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Rob Scanlon @RobScanlon_TV 4m4 minutes ago Steve McClaren has confirmed in his nufcTV interview with @dankingNUFC that he will appeal the red card today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 As well he should. It's clearly not a frivolous appeal so the worst that will happen is it's upheld. edit: to be clear not because I want colo to be available for selection but because appealing a bullshit decision is always the right thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Rob Scanlon @RobScanlon_TV 4m4 minutes ago Steve McClaren has confirmed in his nufcTV interview with @dankingNUFC that he will appeal the red card today Hopefully it goes to 4 games and deemed frivolous. Colo's time is up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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