danny Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Rafa looks very happy with life, today at the young uns cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Well he's not gonna walk around angry amongst kids kicking their faces in is he? But good to hear that he looks happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I dont think he would be there at all if he wasnt happy, is what i was getting at Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes_End_Mag Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I dont think he would be there at all if he wasnt happy, is what i was getting at The one thing Rafa wouldn't do in all of this is abandon or let down the fans. He has too much class for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 aye he's smiling on the sidelines but the Rolling Stones' "As Tears Go By" is on repeat inside his head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For what it's worth I think there's more to it. Having extra investment (or a partial buy out, or even a full takeover) would never happen in the short space of time since those reports surfaced. There was serious interest reported. Most on here don't know the ins and outs of m & a's but the first thing to happen is an NDA signed by all parties. That means nothing can be talked about, leaked etc.. If someone is serious about investing and doesn't want to hold up business operations, a letter of intent would be signed. This is not legally binding though. Then due diligence would begin. This bit is key. No major decisions can be made while this is happening. We did indeed sign LeJeune but we may have had a previous agreement that the agreed transfer had to complete by a certain point or they would back out. The point is, whatever the final offer is after due diligence could vary greatly from the figure mentioned in the letter of intent. If it's investment. This could be difference between signing a bunch of Murphy's or players of the Samaris and Carvalho standard. Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? As plausible as anything else and would actually explain a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 good christ imagine if we were sold and no longer had to endure this shitshow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 good christ imagine if we were sold and no longer had to endure this shitshow Yeah i also imagine Adriana Lima knocking on my door to ask me to marry her. Every time i have a look all i see is my neighbour's smelly bag with trash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For what it's worth I think there's more to it. Having extra investment (or a partial buy out, or even a full takeover) would never happen in the short space of time since those reports surfaced. There was serious interest reported. Most on here don't know the ins and outs of m & a's but the first thing to happen is an NDA signed by all parties. That means nothing can be talked about, leaked etc.. If someone is serious about investing and doesn't want to hold up business operations, a letter of intent would be signed. This is not legally binding though. Then due diligence would begin. This bit is key. No major decisions can be made while this is happening. We did indeed sign LeJeune but we may have had a previous agreement that the agreed transfer had to complete by a certain point or they would back out. The point is, whatever the final offer is after due diligence could vary greatly from the figure mentioned in the letter of intent. If it's investment. This could be difference between signing a bunch of Murphy's or players of the Samaris and Carvalho standard. Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? As plausible as anything else and would actually explain a lot. Does this supersede the 'we're waiting until July' theory? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 We are now waiting till August Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For what it's worth I think there's more to it. Having extra investment (or a partial buy out, or even a full takeover) would never happen in the short space of time since those reports surfaced. There was serious interest reported. Most on here don't know the ins and outs of m & a's but the first thing to happen is an NDA signed by all parties. That means nothing can be talked about, leaked etc.. If someone is serious about investing and doesn't want to hold up business operations, a letter of intent would be signed. This is not legally binding though. Then due diligence would begin. This bit is key. No major decisions can be made while this is happening. We did indeed sign LeJeune but we may have had a previous agreement that the agreed transfer had to complete by a certain point or they would back out. The point is, whatever the final offer is after due diligence could vary greatly from the figure mentioned in the letter of intent. If it's investment. This could be difference between signing a bunch of Murphy's or players of the Samaris and Carvalho standard. Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? As plausible as anything else and would actually explain a lot. Does this supersede the 'we're waiting until July' theory? August, new financial year..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 It's pitiful how far we are behind other clubs, mind. All through self-imposed disadvantages. Exactly, it's totally infuriating. What's even worse is how Ashley has successfully shrunk fan's expectations so we don't even dream anymore. I mean even Southampton are a million miles ahead of us like. Fuck me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? So Ashley has stepped in to assure that he is indeed backing Rafa as promised. So as expected, the media reports were total bullshit. Yeah, why trust one story and not the other? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Regardless where Rafa felt he was in the pecking order, I assume he saw the massive potential in Abraham on top of a minimal cost deal (1m pounds) to get it sorted out and finally the personal time and capital he spent on getting the player convinced we were the right destination. I assume the Clement thing was an excuse made up by Charnley. So I assume you think Charnley f***ed up the deal for whatever reason? The club messing up a minimal cost deal as you said and knowingly pissing of the manager in the process doesn't sound to me like the most logical explanation for him ending up in Swansea. And without knowing any real facts about the situation it really requires you to make some pretty big assumptions to end up with that result. But like I said, maybe I'm being naive. Maybe Charnley intentionally f***ed it up to p*ss Rafa off or maybe he went to the Bahamas and didnt bother answering his phone. And then invented a story about Clement tp protect himself. Maybe. All I know is that there are Stevel Seagal films with more realistic scripts. I made a ton of assumptions, as many of us are, and yes - I firmly believe Charnley did fuck up the deal. If it's being reported that Rafa had the deal agreed and felt like it was sorted, and he ends up at Swansea - then the man in charge of actually doing the logistics either a) couldn't get things in order to close the deal b) stalled on the decision making for whatever reason and lost the deal or c) is out of his depth Not at all out of line in my thinking based on past dealings. The club's transfer dealings looks sluggish and completely out of touch. I'd love to be wrong and see a handful of new signings but... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 good christ imagine if we were sold and no longer had to endure this shitshow I think I'd put up with a year of no signings if that was the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 So Ryder is sayingnhes spent time with Rafa today and he's relaxed and confident of getting the players he wants. Jesus, make it end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Is Craig Hope the journalist who was in with McClaren's camp and got everything right whilst he was here? Taking a very slim positive from what he's written, at least we know we put in a (somewhat realistic) bid for Murphy Shows that there is at least something happening. I'm firmly in the belief that if Rafa was genuinely that unhappy, then we'd know about it. I mean, he wasn't exactly one for hiding it in his interviews and mannerisms at the end of January. Ryder spent some of the day with him today and saw a bloke who is planning for the future, not packing his bags. And to put this summer it perspective, this time last season (July) we were linked with 31 players, of which only four of them actually signed. http://www.nufc.com/rumours/2016-07robrum.html Throw June into that as well, a further 18 players linked and none of them signed. That's 49 players linked with only four of them actually resulting in signing for us. This summer is not all that different with 30 odd links and 2 signings (so far). http://www.nufc.com/rumours/2016-06robrum.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Hope and McClaren fell out. Had a go at each other a press conference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 How have two people got that so wrong in the same day? You can't really compare last summer to this one, either. We've got to turn a Championship squad into a PL one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For what it's worth I think there's more to it. Having extra investment (or a partial buy out, or even a full takeover) would never happen in the short space of time since those reports surfaced. There was serious interest reported. Most on here don't know the ins and outs of m & a's but the first thing to happen is an NDA signed by all parties. That means nothing can be talked about, leaked etc.. If someone is serious about investing and doesn't want to hold up business operations, a letter of intent would be signed. This is not legally binding though. Then due diligence would begin. This bit is key. No major decisions can be made while this is happening. We did indeed sign LeJeune but we may have had a previous agreement that the agreed transfer had to complete by a certain point or they would back out. The point is, whatever the final offer is after due diligence could vary greatly from the figure mentioned in the letter of intent. If it's investment. This could be difference between signing a bunch of Murphy's or players of the Samaris and Carvalho standard. Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? while i'm obviously not saying you're right this scenario would explain a lot aye It's the only explanation that makes sense (if anything makes sense in ashley owned era). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For what it's worth I think there's more to it. Having extra investment (or a partial buy out, or even a full takeover) would never happen in the short space of time since those reports surfaced. There was serious interest reported. Most on here don't know the ins and outs of m & a's but the first thing to happen is an NDA signed by all parties. That means nothing can be talked about, leaked etc.. If someone is serious about investing and doesn't want to hold up business operations, a letter of intent would be signed. This is not legally binding though. Then due diligence would begin. This bit is key. No major decisions can be made while this is happening. We did indeed sign LeJeune but we may have had a previous agreement that the agreed transfer had to complete by a certain point or they would back out. The point is, whatever the final offer is after due diligence could vary greatly from the figure mentioned in the letter of intent. If it's investment. This could be difference between signing a bunch of Murphy's or players of the Samaris and Carvalho standard. Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? while i'm obviously not saying you're right this scenario would explain a lot aye It's the only explanation that makes sense (if anything makes sense in ashley owned era). Tend to agree. Even by Ashley's standards meeting Rafa 2 months ago and coming to an agreement then purposefully going out of his way to renege on that agreement seems a stretch to me. Either there's something in this theory or they've shat their pants at the prices in the market big time and are trying to adjust. Imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Hope and McClaren fell out. Had a go at each other a press conference. Aye McClaren had a dig at Hope getting binned by the club when he was part of the media team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 For what it's worth I think there's more to it. Having extra investment (or a partial buy out, or even a full takeover) would never happen in the short space of time since those reports surfaced. There was serious interest reported. Most on here don't know the ins and outs of m & a's but the first thing to happen is an NDA signed by all parties. That means nothing can be talked about, leaked etc.. If someone is serious about investing and doesn't want to hold up business operations, a letter of intent would be signed. This is not legally binding though. Then due diligence would begin. This bit is key. No major decisions can be made while this is happening. We did indeed sign LeJeune but we may have had a previous agreement that the agreed transfer had to complete by a certain point or they would back out. The point is, whatever the final offer is after due diligence could vary greatly from the figure mentioned in the letter of intent. If it's investment. This could be difference between signing a bunch of Murphy's or players of the Samaris and Carvalho standard. Merely speculating but it's the same press who are reporting that Rafa is unhappy that reported on the Chinese investment. Why trust one story and not the other? while i'm obviously not saying you're right this scenario would explain a lot aye It's the only explanation that makes sense (if anything makes sense in ashley owned era). Then surely Rafa wouldn't be getting frustrated, and more importantly the stories about his future wouldn't keep surfacing because it seems clear to me that he is the one leaking this to the media to put pressure on the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure who Craig Johns is, but he's written an absolutely mental piece on the Chronicle saying that our patience can pay off, as proven by (and I'm not making this up) Lukaku's move to Man United. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure who Craig Johns is, but he's written an absolutely mental piece on the Chronicle saying that our patience can pay off, as proven by (and I'm not making this up) Lukaku's move to Man United. Fuck off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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