Deuce Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 On the bench at Portsmouth. Portsmouth city park maybe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I mean he's not wrong, trouble is those teams will sign a lot more. Past evidence suggests we won't, there in lies the problem. What are you talking about? Past evidence suggest we won't sign more players? What evidence might that be? The real problem is that we've failed to do business early, not that we'll fail to do business at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure how many times it has to be mentioned that it's because we've missed out on Rafa's main targets like. The cockiness from some in the face of that is really bizarre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 All of those teams have Premier League squads, we don't. Have Brighton done much actually? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Have other clubs made clear that they need to do a lot of business early on, yet failed to deliver. That Duffy person fails to grasp context. I reckon all managers will want their business done as early as possible. But guess what, it doesn't always go to plan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 All of those teams have Premier League squads, we don't. Have Brighton done much actually? 3 in: Pascal Groß, Josh Kerr and Matthew Ryan. Only significant out is Stockdale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 All of those teams have Premier League squads, we don't. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure how many times it has to be mentioned that it's because we've missed out on Rafa's main targets like. The cockiness from some in the face of that is really bizarre. No one finds it a bit weird that according to these ITK's Rafa's main target was a loan for a Chelsea youngster who's only real exprience is one season of second tier football? I'm not saying its not worrying if we're missing out on his top targets. It really is. But he was really on top of Rafa's list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 If Abraham was his first choice I'm concerned. Not on Gayle's level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure how many times it has to be mentioned that it's because we've missed out on Rafa's main targets like. The cockiness from some in the face of that is really bizarre. No one finds it a bit weird that according to these ITK's Rafa's main target was a loan for a Chelsea youngster who's only real exprience is one season of second tier football? I'm not saying its not worrying if we're missing out on his top targets. It really is. But he was really on top of Rafa's list? Precisely where in the pecking order Abraham was is besides the point. Rafa thought the deal was sealed but the club let him down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_F Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure how many times it has to be mentioned that it's because we've missed out on Rafa's main targets like. The cockiness from some in the face of that is really bizarre. No one finds it a bit weird that according to these ITK's Rafa's main target was a loan for a Chelsea youngster who's only real exprience is one season of second tier football? I'm not saying its not worrying if we're missing out on his top targets. It really is. But he was really on top of Rafa's list? Precisely where in the pecking order Abraham was is besides the point. Rafa thought the deal was sealed but the club let him down. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Didn't Abraham just choose Swansea because of Clement and Chelsea didnt want him coming to us? I mean, it's been a shit window but let's not just make shit up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Because of Clement? Is that a joke? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure how many times it has to be mentioned that it's because we've missed out on Rafa's main targets like. The cockiness from some in the face of that is really bizarre. No one finds it a bit weird that according to these ITK's Rafa's main target was a loan for a Chelsea youngster who's only real exprience is one season of second tier football? I'm not saying its not worrying if we're missing out on his top targets. It really is. But he was really on top of Rafa's list? Precisely where in the pecking order Abraham was is besides the point. Rafa thought the deal was sealed but the club let him down. Maybe I'm being naive, but how likely it is that a loan for a kid doesnt go through because of finances? Doesnt feel like the full story to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Not sure how many times it has to be mentioned that it's because we've missed out on Rafa's main targets like. The cockiness from some in the face of that is really bizarre. No one finds it a bit weird that according to these ITK's Rafa's main target was a loan for a Chelsea youngster who's only real exprience is one season of second tier football? I'm not saying its not worrying if we're missing out on his top targets. It really is. But he was really on top of Rafa's list? Precisely where in the pecking order Abraham was is besides the point. Rafa thought the deal was sealed but the club let him down. How do you know? I've heard his parent club didn't want him here, he thought he'd get more opportunities with Swansea, the player wanted additional payments for his family, the player wanted to concentrate on u21s when we wanted to push it through and finally that we decided to some how sabotage the deal. Now I'm not saying which one is right, but the likelihood we'd try and piss off our manager over a loan deal seems extreme, but it seems to be the one people want to believe for some strange reason. Then there's the keeper who proven to chase money to sit on a bench and doing it all again, yet for some reason that one is thrown in to the pot of doom that'll see Rafa leave and us signing no one. If we didn't sign lejuene or Reina moves to another club in England or Samaris moves for £15m etc...then concern can grow. We are then missing out on targets, but that loan deal is just not the one to panic over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Because of Clement? Is that a joke? I don't know what your point is and I don't care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelveys Hair Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Because of Clement? Is that a joke? Clement has had links with Chelsea since 2000 as well as being assistant manager and 1st team coach for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Because of Clement? Is that a joke? Clement has had links with Chelsea since 2000 as well as being assistant manager and 1st team coach for them. He knows that. Don't humour him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I'm quite aware of that, like. I just struggle to believe for once second he'd choose Swansea because of Clement when Rafa is the alternative. There has to be far more to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Regardless where Rafa felt he was in the pecking order, I assume he saw the massive potential in Abraham on top of a minimal cost deal (1m pounds) to get it sorted out and finally the personal time and capital he spent on getting the player convinced we were the right destination. I assume the Clement thing was an excuse made up by Charnley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 I don't even think Rafa would ask for stupid money he would just want enough to be competitive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 The club we're probably waiting for Prime day to start, expect progress in the next 30 hours Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Abraham and his agent got greedy (hardly unusual) and it all came down to who would pay him the most in the end, rather than coaches, location etc. Rightly or wrongly we wouldn't shift and get into a bidding war. Time will tell, but for a player who at this stage of his career isn't any better than what we've already got what would have been the point ? Last thing we need at this point are squad fillers, especially those whose motives may be questionable, it's improvements that are needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Shane BurnsVerified account @MediaShaneBurns Following More Newcastle are interested in Samir Nasri. 7:34 PM - 10 Jul 2017 Another one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 10, 2017 Share Posted July 10, 2017 Linked with any player from Chelsea, Arsenal and City who are surplus to requirements. More guesswork IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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