Eddie Howe

[Thumbheed]

6 minutes ago, Happinesstan said:

It's no more made up than your assertion that he picked him because he thinks he's better. What indication is there for your crap?

 

My indicators are watching him pick Ritchie over Lewis, Murphy over Manquillo and Clarke and Lascelles over Fernández in the past. 

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Thumbheed

[Kanji]

Not sure how he can organize a defense with the quality this bad and the injuries we have too. But go on. Tell me what he could do differently. Krafth and hurt Schar in? Same score line. 

[TRon]

We have some really shit players, first of all we need to acknowledge that. We only have to see how we struggle to keep the ball, especially against the better teams. The difference in quality is really stark. Even when Rafa was here we were only getting results by conceding possession and trying to catch teams on the break. He wanted better players as well. 

[cubaricho]

31 minutes ago, Thumbheed said:

 

 

Is there even any indication he wasn't selected because of fitness, and if it was a fitness issue then what's to stop him getting a season ending injury the next game in your totally made up scenario?

Apparently it is for some. 

 

 

He mentioned, at least once this week, that there would be squad rotation for this match. 

[Whitley mag]

1 minute ago, TRon said:

We have some really shit players, first of all we need to acknowledge that. We only have to see how we struggle to keep the ball, especially against the better teams. The difference in quality is really stark. Even when Rafa was here we were only getting results by conceding possession and trying to catch teams on the break. He wanted better players as well. 

Yeah, the inability to play simple passes and keep the ball has plagued us for years. The lack of intelligence and ability to play a killer pass in the final third is also crippling us. 
 

A couple of central midfielders are as crucial as defenders at this point.

[xLiaaamx]

Think I'd honestly rather play that Bondswell at left back than Ritchie. 

[The Prophet]

22 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Not sure how he can organize a defense with the quality this bad and the injuries we have too. But go on. Tell me what he could do differently. Krafth and hurt Schar in? Same score line. 

 

This in a nutshell.

[SUPERTOON]

25 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Not sure how he can organize a defense with the quality this bad and the injuries we have too. But go on. Tell me what he could do differently. Krafth and hurt Schar in? Same score line. 

Surely it would be more a case of setting the whole team up differently so the defence has the maximum protection possible ?

[Klaus]

Yes most of our defenders aren't good enough at this level and should be moved on asap. However, we should be able to organise a team to not ship 3/4 goals every match. Howe's teams have never had great defensive records, and this was one concern I had with his appointment.

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Klaus

[Awaymag]

Its not organising a team at all.  its about shit players, making shit decisions.

 

Goal 1:

 

Dubs kicks it out for a corner - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening

 

99 out of 100 Clark clears that ball - this time he didn't - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening?

 

Goal 2:

 

Clark and Lascells decide to provide a path for Man City strike  by both turning their backs - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening?

 

 

Goals 3 & 4

 

Richie, caught ball watching for both - both our natural left backs are injured - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening?

 

You can bang on all you want about coaching but when individual players are that shit - there is not a lot you can do.   We could have played 10 in defence and defended for the full 90 mins but the result would have been the same - as individual errors are happening every week.     The only way to stop this, is to buy new players in Jan and keep the best of the worst as subs/backup.

 

Personally, I can't wait for the day that all these players have been sold.  They seem to be a nice bunch of lads but they are journeymen, that's the reason why they ended up and stay here during Ashley's time.

 

 

[HaydnNUFC]

He's tried a back 3 v Brentford and Arsenal, conceded 5 across both games. The options are so bad it's untrue. 

 

Howe is like a surgeon trying to do brain operations using a knife and fork. Telling him to use the knife and fork differently is still going to yield the patient keeling owa. 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by HaydnNUFC

[Shadow Puppets]

Although we are clearly lacking all over the pitch, I was quietly encouraged by our first half performance. Limited Man City apart from a defensive mistake and a rocket (brought on my dreadful pressing).

 

You can clearly see the team trying to play better football, but we just don’t have the players. 5 new first team players needed, ideally, next month.

[Fantail Breeze]

45 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

Its not organising a team at all.  its about shit players, making shit decisions.

 

Goal 1:

 

Dubs kicks it out for a corner - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening

 

99 out of 100 Clark clears that ball - this time he didn't - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening?

 

Goal 2:

 

Clark and Lascells decide to provide a path for Man City strike  by both turning their backs - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening?

 

 

Goals 3 & 4

 

Richie, caught ball watching for both - both our natural left backs are injured - what could Howe have done differently before the match, to stop that happening?

 

You can bang on all you want about coaching but when individual players are that shit - there is not a lot you can do.   We could have played 10 in defence and defended for the full 90 mins but the result would have been the same - as individual errors are happening every week.     The only way to stop this, is to buy new players in Jan and keep the best of the worst as subs/backup.

 

Personally, I can't wait for the day that all these players have been sold.  They seem to be a nice bunch of lads but they are journeymen, that's the reason why they ended up and stay here during Ashley's time.

 

 

 

My earlier post literally answers all of your points here. These same players looked like a solid defensive unit under Rafa. 

 

“I’ve said it for a few weeks but I think the reason is relatively clear.

 

Trying to get our players to play it out from the back, puts us under unnecessary pressure and increases the risk of individual errors.

 

They panic, which causes an already low on confidence team to be unsettled even further.

If you’re asking them to do things they don’t understand, they’re too busy trying to think of a million things rather than the basics and the end result is brain farts like today.

 

They’re not good enough and don’t have the right skillset to play this style, it’s why they were much more effective under Rafa’s defensive set up. Get the ball and play it forward quickly, countering.”

[The Prophet]

Very few individusl errors have resulted from us playing it out from the back though, other than the Maddison penalty incident. The Darlow non-save, the Clark red, Hayden being a soft cunt, the Shelvey backpass and today's nonsense, were largely unforced errors under (minimal) opposition pressure.

[MarkyMark]

Has to be said, the players are doing their best to undermine the arguments by the likes of Craig Hope that this side were decent and working with a shit manager in Bruce.

 

They’re shit and were working with a shit manager in Bruce.  With Howe they’re now with a decent one, but I think you’d need someone of Rafa’s nous to organise this lot.  

[Jackie Broon]

1 hour ago, Kanji said:

Not sure how he can organize a defense with the quality this bad and the injuries we have too. But go on. Tell me what he could do differently. Krafth and hurt Schar in? Same score line. 

 

But he has absolutely no track record of being able to organise a defence with any team. I know a few Burnley fans and they are scathing of his ability to organise a team defensively.

[HawK]

6 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

But he has absolutely no track record of being able to organise a defence with any team. I know a few Burnley fans and they are scathing of his ability to organise a team defensively.

 

Maybe we should bring Mark Lawrenson back as defensive coach..

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by HawK
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[Thumbheed]

1 hour ago, Kanji said:

Not sure how he can organize a defense with the quality this bad and the injuries we have too. But go on. Tell me what he could do differently. Krafth and hurt Schar in? Same score line. 

 

You can absolutely coach a defence beyond the sum of its parts. We've seen that over and over and over again in football. 

 

As for the lack of quality, well, doesn't that same argument stand up for Bruce? It shouldn't, but if you're saying the defenders have never been good enough, that these kind of performances are to be expected and that there's nothing Howe can do about it, then why did Bruce get such a hammering for our shit defence and what was Howe's plan when it came to addressing our biggest weakness? Wait till January?

 

All I'm looking for is signs of cohesion and coordination and I haven't seen that so far. Couple that with some strange selections and I think it's a worthy point of discussion. 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2021 by Thumbheed

[Whitley mag]

5 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said:

 

But he has absolutely no track record of being able to organise a defence with any team. I know a few Burnley fans and they are scathing of his ability to organise a team defensively.

This is my major concern with Howe and I’d hoped during his time out of the game he’d have looked at this.

 

Early days though and it’s hard to argue that he’s working with a pile of shite presently. If we still look bad after investment though, his job will be on the line simple as that.

[MarkyMark]

I wonder if he deliberately excluded a PowerPoint page at his interview talking about how he’d organise the back line … ?

[HaydnNUFC]

 

[Dr Jinx]

We can only assume the new owners will have deals lined up for January 1st or soon after.

 

He’s got to work with this shower of cabbage fodder for another few games so he has to be tactful about it.

 

As soon as replacements are lined up, expect a total clear out, loans etc.. it will be brutal.. anything to get the core of this absolute dross out of our changing room. We all know who. If you can’t change their mentality, just flog them.

 

Lascelles will also have to be sold, you can’t have a club captain essentially training with the kids or being used as backup, bad for morale etc.

[sh74]

1 hour ago, Thumbheed said:

 

You can absolutely coach a defence beyond the sum of its parts. We've seen that over and over and over again in football. 

 

As for the lack of quality, well, doesn't that same argument stand up for Bruce? It shouldn't, but if you're saying the defenders have never been good enough, that these kind of performances are to be expected and that there's nothing Howe can do about it, then why did Bruce get such a hammering for our shit defence and what was Howe's plan when it came to addressing our biggest weakness? Wait till January?

 

All I'm looking for is signs of cohesion and coordination and I haven't seen that so far. Couple that with some strange selections and I think it's a worthy point of discussion. 

 

 

 

Sounds like a Mackem WUM.

[Awaymag]

1 hour ago, Fantail Breeze said:

 

My earlier post literally answers all of your points here. These same players looked like a solid defensive unit under Rafa. 

 

“I’ve said it for a few weeks but I think the reason is relatively clear.

 

Trying to get our players to play it out from the back, puts us under unnecessary pressure and increases the risk of individual errors.

 

They panic, which causes an already low on confidence team to be unsettled even further.

If you’re asking them to do things they don’t understand, they’re too busy trying to think of a million things rather than the basics and the end result is brain farts like today.

 

They’re not good enough and don’t have the right skillset to play this style, it’s why they were much more effective under Rafa’s defensive set up. Get the ball and play it forward quickly, countering.”

you are harping back to 2-3 years ago.  Those same players have stayed at NUFC and got older, slower.  Also other teams have improved - jesus christ man, Brentford who came up last year are better than what we have.

 

If you’re asking them to do things they don’t understand, they’re too busy trying to think of a million things rather than the basics and the end result is brain farts like today.   Sorry but that's crap.  All 4 goals are so basic, I could understand your point of view if Howe had made them take a leap of faith.    Since when can a keeper not make a pass of 5 yards to a defender, as its too complicated.  Since when does a defender not head that ball clear but think, no I will duck here because Howe has asked me to do complicated things like, dont get sent off this time!

 

I could go on but its pointless.  Sell the fucking lot for 1p each, just get rid of them.  Gayle can go for free!

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, sh74 said:

Sounds like a Mackem WUM.

 

To be fair, he’s usually massively wrong about everything.

 

But on this occasion he’s actually right.